David J. Peterson: Hmm.
Jessica Sams: I see the red.we are recording
Jessica Sams: Welcome to link time chat episode seven
Jessica Sams: This is good and I have something excited plan today excited exciting would be the better word.
Jessica Sams: I'm excited about the exciting thing that I have planned and I've got multiple areas of notes here so I'm juggling many things. Okay, so what's going to happen here. We're playing a game.
Jessica Sams: You're the contestant
Jessica Sams: I'm going to read a sentence or phrase that I translated into one of your comm links.
Jessica Sams: And here's the best part.
Jessica Sams: I did it based only on the information I could find on your wiki page.
So,
Jessica Sams: This is gonna be great.
David J. Peterson: Okay.
David J. Peterson: Okay, we're going to you're going to guess what language it is
Jessica Sams: But you don't have to guess what I'm saying. Because like I get it if you can guess what I'm saying. Then you get bonus points and we'll figure out points at the end.
Jessica Sams: So this is going to be challenging. By the way, for people listening for three big reasons. The first is that David has a lot of languages.
Jessica Sams: So that there's options. The second is that my translations may be totally wrong.
Jessica Sams: You know,
Jessica Sams: There's the wiki doesn't even have like all the grammar information so
David J. Peterson: I I've been having a time trying to figure out how I want to format it
David J. Peterson: A lot of laughter
Jessica Sams: Yeah, with the effort, but also the formatting. I can imagine would be a nightmare, especially knowing and people listening. What will likely know because
Jessica Sams: Surely you've watched the live stream. You know what the document looks like in trying to think of how that would work on a wiki page like kind of make gives me a headache, just thinking about it.
Jessica Sams: Okay, so now the third reason this is going to be difficult.
Jessica Sams: Is because I'm pronouncing it
Jessica Sams: Which means goodness only knows what what's going to come out. And so then after you have your guests. I've written some like questions and if you have any features you want to share
Jessica Sams: About the language that you find cool and I can tell you what I find cool
Jessica Sams: Will do that.
David J. Peterson: Today,
Jessica Sams: I'm already laughing. So this is going to be horrible.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, I'm gonna be so embarrassed. I mean, hopefully I'm just hoping that there's going to be a key word that I recognize it will clue me in. I'm just
Jessica Sams: Looking always
Jessica Sams: You always have the out to say, Oh, your pronunciation
David J. Peterson: Yeah, you wrote it down and JP, I assume they Jesse phonetic alphabet.
Jessica Sams: Um, no. That would have been smart, it would have been smart to also use IPA, because sometimes I forget going back and forth between the Roman is a day. So that would have been smart, but I did, however, in multi syllable words underline the syllable. I should be putting the stress on
David J. Peterson: Okay.
Jessica Sams: And work because we're gonna find out if that worked for me.
David J. Peterson: Because, you know, some of those are actually real world room innovations, so like they don't always do the things I do because they actually have some cachet in the real world.
Jessica Sams: Yeah. So like I said, real interesting.
David J. Peterson: All right. Alright.
Jessica Sams: Alright.
David J. Peterson: Are we ready. Yes.
Jessica Sams: Game case. I gotta try not to laugh while I'm doing this. This is serious.
Jessica Sams: Alright, sentence number one.
Jessica Sams: Use three C's. Don't lose the new leaf Brinker
Jessica Sams: I think I held my breath while I said that too.
David J. Peterson: Okay, so that's that's definitely true. Get a sign so that you gave me an easy one first and that's
Jessica Sams: What I did.
David J. Peterson: And that's, that's your, your little sister.
David J. Peterson: And then something your eyes, but I missed the verb.
Jessica Sams: Yes, okay. Don't this. Yeah.
David J. Peterson: Yeah.
David J. Peterson: And then loose. Yeah.
Jessica Sams: In New York blinker
Jessica Sams: Don't lose a new leaf blinker
Okay.
David J. Peterson: Okay, so I mean that that's not actually a complete verb. It needs. The other part of it.
Jessica Sams: So okay, so that was my question. And it was in square brackets.
Jessica Sams: Because
Jessica Sams: I want to talk satellites with you.
Yeah.
Jessica Sams: So I think the satellite would be out so lose some new things out.
David J. Peterson: So yeah, I'd say just she she fried or something to that effect. What's a newly newly
Jessica Sams: Newly blinker
David J. Peterson: Newly blank so said, something's eyes so it, it opened
David J. Peterson: The little sister opened the eyes of the
David J. Peterson: New the green oh oh oh she opened her own eyes. She opened her green eyes.
Jessica Sams: Is that right, yes, yes.
Jessica Sams: Holy crap. You're good, okay.
David J. Peterson: So,
Jessica Sams: I know so
Jessica Sams: I did it without the satellite because in reading I cheat. Well, I didn't cheat. But this one actually has a very extensive grammar on a fandom page. Yeah.
Jessica Sams: And so I looked up information there because all the grammar stuff is not
Jessica Sams: All in the wiki, or maybe it was your tumbler that I found I don't remember, but I read about satellites with the verbs.
Jessica Sams: And so for anyone wondering what I'm talking about with satellite, the verb was loose out and the algos at the end, like if you're familiar with German kind of getting separable prefixes kind of things.
Jessica Sams: But on a site. It said a verb that is agent initiated motion or causation will not have the satellite. So I didn't know if I wanted the interpretation that she purposefully opened her eyes would I leave the satellite off or is this a verb that always has a satellite
David J. Peterson: I will have to look up
David J. Peterson: Who wrote that and what exactly they're writing and why because that's just completely wrong.
Jessica Sams: Ah, so it's probably on the fandom page.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, since
Jessica Sams: Since I wrote down like kind of a quote there. That's what I was quoting from. So yeah, it was probably on the fandom page.
David J. Peterson: But the thing is, that's not coming from know where that came from somewhere that came from somewhere. And so I need to figure out where that came from.
David J. Peterson: Because that's
David J. Peterson: That's just not correct.
David J. Peterson: That's just not correct. Now you got it. You have to have it in there. It's, it's essentially two parts of the same bird. It's it'd be kind of, I mean,
David J. Peterson: This system of course comes directly from English comes directly from it. And so that's how we have with the verb like take where take mean something by itself.
David J. Peterson: But take in means something different ticket means something different. Take out means something different, taking off means something different.
David J. Peterson: Take off can mean two different SOMETHING DIFFERENCE IN FACT, right.
David J. Peterson: Or two different takeoffs
David J. Peterson: And in those cases, you can't simply remove those prepositions.
David J. Peterson: Right, like
David J. Peterson: You know, saying like
David J. Peterson: The rocket took yesterday because there was nothing else just wouldn't mean anything. So with with triggers, like most of the time.
David J. Peterson: That it's simply got rid of any usage of the English verb that didn't have
David J. Peterson: That associated preposition. It was just no longer a preposition.
David J. Peterson: More like kind of an adverb.
Jessica Sams: would always be at the end versus how right now our current version of English you would if it's a pronoun. It has to go before it so like take
Jessica Sams: Our side it has to go after. So like take out the trash versus take it out. You can't say take out it. Like will it always be at the end, or is it still movable in tremendously.
David J. Peterson: It's movable, but it's not movable in the same way that it is an English so
David J. Peterson: It's default position is at the end.
David J. Peterson: Okay, that doesn't change by verb, which it kind of does with English right
David J. Peterson: Right, it is subset. It is susceptible to have a shift.
David J. Peterson: And also, it moves when you want to forget of its emphasize or focus or whatever the object so
David J. Peterson: The object.
David J. Peterson: Is more in focus. It comes last.
Jessica Sams: Okay, and with the heavy movement. Does that mean if I had like a really heavy object that I would put the that little satellite before the object is that
Jessica Sams: Yes. Okay.
David J. Peterson: Okay. Exactly.
David J. Peterson: Wanted to make
Jessica Sams: Sure, I was understanding that correctly.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, by the way, another little fun factoid about that. So we were coming up one day we were coming for the bunch of
David J. Peterson: Words for colors. So this is me and the the fans that triggered us links that crew.
David J. Peterson: And when it came to green. I thought you know New Leaf because, you know, a new leaf is green, but also it's a very rare almost impossible could never happen in any other language shout out to my agency New Leaf literary
David J. Peterson: Nice like and what language, could I ever do that in here, it actually made sense. And so
Jessica Sams: Is awesome. So I also because I was going through
Jessica Sams: The Dictionary
Jessica Sams: And so this is like the most backward thing. You can imagine while you're trying to translate something I essentially like started with the noun entries and just kept clicking on nouns until I found some that would work together and would make sense in one sentence.
Jessica Sams: So like this is how I can post
Jessica Sams: But like one of the entries that I was immediately drawn to just because of how it sounded was freak trainer.
Jessica Sams: And that one I found interesting. Just because, by the way, I'm I've never actually seen the show. It's something that I do want to watch, but like I remember you warning me that me with my sensitivities to gore may not be able to watch the whole thing with Isaac.
Jessica Sams: And so I'm fascinated by the language. So at some point I will just watch it, just so I can hear it.
Jessica Sams: But that one in particular caught my eye. I couldn't figure out how to work it into a sentence because that's just really random because it means like somebody who didn't get the radiation, like it's a very specific thing for the show.
Jessica Sams: And that one was cool, because like you talked about all the different variations of coming up with the word and how it ended up actually being somebody from the show itself.
Jessica Sams: Who put it together. And I just, I thought that was really neat to see all the different possibilities that it could have been along the way.
David J. Peterson: Oh yeah, that has happened several times where, you know, I've been asked on the show. It's like, hey, give us a word for this and I saw like so I say, Okay, here's that word in the like can you get some variance. It's like, this isn't, this isn't a priori con line like
David J. Peterson: This English, right, what, what do you want me to do. I can't. I just can't invent English words so I try my best. It's a
Jessica Sams: Real flesh words every day. You can see when
David J. Peterson: I blow that but so the problem is like
Jessica Sams: I forgot my chair is broken. I can't lean back.
David J. Peterson: flip out for
Jessica Sams: Me a good lean back, left though so
David J. Peterson: But
David J. Peterson: It's it's a fun exercise because it requires you to stretch your brain because it's like, hey, we need a word for this and it's like, well, this is the most obvious word. And they're like, I like the sound of that. Can you do something else.
David J. Peterson: And it's like, this is your own language you're working with. And so you're just trying to stretch your brain to think what what possible other associations, can I draw to somehow approach this term.
Jessica Sams: Was the source like your best friend at that point.
David J. Peterson: What did I often do
Jessica Sams: Because I feel like that would have
Jessica Sams: Been what I did.
David J. Peterson: Or you know what some sometimes. Gosh, and this was the. This was the worst. There were some times where I changed the word, even though it was really good and perfect
David J. Peterson: Because of the lamest
David J. Peterson: possible reasons. One of them being that in in triggered a saying right sh just makes the show sound.
David J. Peterson: So very simply.
David J. Peterson: However, it also compounds and so there can be instances.
David J. Peterson: Where you get a word, ending with S and a word, beginning with age. And in fact, it would happen a lot when I was trying to come up with different type of words, his head as the word for the commander.
David J. Peterson: And they have at various times wanted different words for, like, you know, commander of death commander a blood and so on.
David J. Peterson: Sure. And so it's like I tried like okay this word makes sense. And then I see S H next to each other. And I'm like, goodness gracious.
David J. Peterson: What am I putting it apostrophe between these
David J. Peterson: Are hyphen.
Jessica Sams: Hyphen total hyphen. That would have been a problem too, with th right because doesn't does trigger this lane still have the th the theta.
David J. Peterson: It does have th but it generally
David J. Peterson: It that wouldn't be an issue because there wouldn't be a word, ending with tea.
David J. Peterson: Okay, wait.
David J. Peterson: No, no. Yeah, you're right, it would be a problem with tha as well. No, you're right, you're absolutely right. It just never happened to occur.
Jessica Sams: All those all those little graph things that we
Jessica Sams: Run up the diagram I need to. I should call them.
Jessica Sams: My grass. Okay, so that was triggered display.
Jessica Sams: Yeah, did you have anything else to add before I go to language. Number two.
David J. Peterson: Oh, I'll also just add that link is one of my oldest words it was
David J. Peterson: Like a part of the very first
David J. Peterson: Sentence I created for them when I was coming up with an example.
David J. Peterson: Before like what I was thinking it for the sound and then they heard it in there like whoa that's way too much change it.
Jessica Sams: Change it.
Jessica Sams: I like that word glinka
Jessica Sams: Yeah, fine, although it oddly and not this is gonna be the weirdest thing that it reminded me of but just go with it. Whenever I saw the word. The first thing that popped in my head, and I've never seen it. I've only heard about the show is the Peaky Blinders
Jessica Sams: And I don't know why, but when I saw that I was like oh my gosh, it's like blinders blinkers, I don't know, like, I don't know why. Maybe it was just because the sounds. If you put them all together, eventually you get blinker
David J. Peterson: That has been on my watch list for like two years. I really want to see it. I haven't seen it either.
Jessica Sams: I've been told that it's amazing.
Jessica Sams: It's just, again, my inability to watch
Jessica Sams: Certain gory things. Okay.
David J. Peterson: We'll watch it together Blinky blinkers
Jessica Sams: In my blinkers will be closed the entire time. So you can just tell me what I'm missing.
David J. Peterson: blinkers up
Jessica Sams: It would be Lucy blinker out
David J. Peterson: That's it. That's it.
Jessica Sams: Okay, I'm practically a native. All right, here's the next one.
And
Jessica Sams: Okay, I should have practiced this. Okay.
Jessica Sams: I've got this
Jessica Sams: fully patched Cushing humor.
David J. Peterson: I recognize that one. That is a that is
David J. Peterson: What you would call it shoot you lish
David J. Peterson: Chronicles
David J. Peterson: And that one, that one is a fun one cat hair. Can I ask you a favor. Can you either hold up that card or type it into the chat. I'll give you, I'll give you my read on it. Here we go.
David J. Peterson: Oh ok, so that should be families.
David J. Peterson: Who lead. Okay.
David J. Peterson: Is that they need to leave his key she she met if he need. Wow. I don't even recognize that last word. So
David J. Peterson: So yeah, I know that that first one should be families because you're saying a friend.
Jessica Sams: Yeah.
David J. Peterson: And so
David J. Peterson: It has an evocative days. That's a bar in case
Jessica Sams: I miss know that
David J. Peterson: Yeah, the bucket events and sure
David J. Peterson: And then
David J. Peterson: Recognized
David J. Peterson: Humor. That's it. It's a preposition means like inside right
Jessica Sams: I'm over. It's a suppressive
David J. Peterson: Over
David J. Peterson: To yeah I was way off. All right.
Jessica Sams: That's a preposition.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, good sleep. It's probably to do right and that's just an infinitive looks like.
Jessica Sams: It isn't infinitive. It's not to do.
Jessica Sams: To get or grab
David J. Peterson: Okay, for the pitch QC okay and that's definitely an accusative, so that's nice.
David J. Peterson: Shame. I don't recognize that I kind of remember creating it. It's a fun word, isn't it.
Yes.
David J. Peterson: Oh my god.
Jessica Sams: Like I just keep holding the card closer, like maybe that'll help
David J. Peterson: Anytime never going to get
David J. Peterson: Any I'm never gonna get i'll tell you that right now.
Jessica Sams: He or she
David J. Peterson: Is it like snowball
David J. Peterson: Yes, yes.
Jessica Sams: Oh my god.
Jessica Sams: So many bonus points right now.
David J. Peterson: Okay.
Jessica Sams: So it is noble, but it's
Jessica Sams: Plural object so
David J. Peterson: It's no course snowballs right
Jessica Sams: And then a hip.
Jessica Sams: Is bow or branch.
Jessica Sams: In the object case in the object for
A hint.
David J. Peterson: Are you sure are you sure that looks like a nominative plural.
Jessica Sams: Well, now I need to normal check. Just a second.
Jessica Sams: I thought so, who, and I still have the website pulled up. But let me just, you know, dance on over to you lish um
Jessica Sams: So that one was one of the nouns.
Jessica Sams: I'll go there to shorten down my list of possibilities.
Jessica Sams: And
Jessica Sams: It is nominative plural.
Jessica Sams: That is so unfortunate.
Jessica Sams: It should be I in
David J. Peterson: OK, and then it wasn't intended to be indefinite as opposed to definite
Jessica Sams: Yeah. Not really, I just forgot to write that down when I was taking notes. So it would be if it were the branch, it would be a hand enough
Jessica Sams: We'll go ahead and make it that because that's cute.
Jessica Sams: Oh, you say it so much better.
Jessica Sams: And I put the stress on the wrong syllable not really helping myself and I do want to check the prepositions for humor.
Jessica Sams: And then
Yeah.
Jessica Sams: Let's see, yet over or above.
David J. Peterson: Okay, so
David J. Peterson: So it's like grab grab the
David J. Peterson: Grab the snowballs above the branches.
David J. Peterson: Yeah okay so
Jessica Sams: I wanted under I wanted under the branches.
Jessica Sams: But I couldn't find the word for under so it became over like the branches on the ground and the snow balls are on top of it. Just go with it.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, no, it's probably because there isn't a word for under
David J. Peterson: I'll get there one day but ok so the verb should be in the imperative.
Because
Jessica Sams: I did not find that information.
Jessica Sams: On what verb form should be. And so one of my questions was, I didn't know how to inflict the verb forums, but that would be fully
Jessica Sams: Oh, full that that
Total
David J. Peterson: Good luck.
Jessica Sams: Has a
David J. Peterson: It always has a Gemini.
Jessica Sams: OK.
David J. Peterson: So the internet and it always has a Gemini.
David J. Peterson: Right.
Uh huh.
Jessica Sams: Yeah.
Jessica Sams: I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing something unless. Oh my gosh.
Jessica Sams: Yeah. Anyone
Jessica Sams: anyone listening. Make sure you click on the, you know, expand button for the contribution.
Jessica Sams: As I like embarrassingly trout my head like, though I did not even try to click on the expand until just now. And then this big, beautiful chart opens up and that would have been the information that I needed.
David J. Peterson: Yeah i thought that i did conjugation for that one. I haven't done conjugation tables for most of the verbs, because it's really difficult but
David J. Peterson: When I thought it would be easy. So I did. Okay, so this one. Okay, this language.
David J. Peterson: Is this. I mean, it was designed for you know elves in a kid's Christmas movie. So it was supposed to be, you know, cute. And actually, when I do
Jessica Sams: My own sorry your direct quote was warm and fuzzy
David J. Peterson: Go. There we go.
David J. Peterson: And when I when I do my own read. I actually do my little l Elvin accent. So, you know,
David J. Peterson: That you know
David J. Peterson: You seem
Jessica Sams: So on. That is amazing.
David J. Peterson: Yeah. For the first movie. I actually did get to record some lines with the group when I was there. So I'm in the movie. I'm one of the people saying
Jessica Sams: Are you for real. Yeah. That's awesome. And wait can we back up a second because you said first. Is there a second
David J. Peterson: Oh, I mean there is, but I don't remember if I was supposed to say that
Jessica Sams: I may need to do a little, little blip out
David J. Peterson: Let's find out. Let's find out.
David J. Peterson: I mean, yeah, it's it's it's been announced coming out, December.
Jessica Sams: Yay. Oh, that's exciting. Okay, cool.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, so, um, so yeah I did that.
Jessica Sams: Who I don't need to edit anything. I was like,
David J. Peterson: That guy.
David J. Peterson: So,
David J. Peterson: So the. Now, I noticed that one of the flaws of IPA in general.
David J. Peterson: Is of golf course, everybody knows one of the flaws is intonation. But when it comes to stress. So this is definitely a stress system. There's no way with IPA to I think adequately indicate how stress works.
David J. Peterson: Which is that
David J. Peterson: The
David J. Peterson: I've been saying that the stress syllable is the last syllable and generally the way it is, is the second to last syllable.
David J. Peterson: Is actually stressed.
David J. Peterson: But there is a rise on the last syllable.
Okay.
David J. Peterson: So it's like heskey she
David J. Peterson: And in fact, if you look at the language. More often than not, the second to last syllable has either a long bell or Kota which allows you to kind of put that emphasis in there.
Jessica Sams: The right way.
David J. Peterson: The only exception to that is imperatives where it's absolutely stress on the first syllable.
David J. Peterson: Not
Okay.
Jessica Sams: Okay, yeah.
Jessica Sams: Gotcha. Yeah, one of the words that I had wanted to try to figure out how to put in there and it's probably a good thing. I didn't, because now I'm even like in my head, trying to say it.
Jessica Sams: was quiet wash
David J. Peterson: Wash
Jessica Sams: Followed by a W.
Jessica Sams: Quiet wash
David J. Peterson: Closet KH W.
Jessica Sams: Yeah.
David J. Peterson: Okay hw a sh K
David J. Peterson: Yeah, question.
Jessica Sams: Oh, you get the
Jessica Sams: Class.
Jessica Sams: Okay, there we go.
Jessica Sams: Um noise.
David J. Peterson: Yeah.
Jessica Sams: So probably the good thing because that one was a tough one. Okay, so then the other thing was that I couldn't necessarily find and I'm not going to say it doesn't mean it's not on there because you saw I didn't click on expand so
Jessica Sams: Goodness knows what else. I missed was word order. And so I just guessed that it was a VO word order based on like a couple of examples. I saw
David J. Peterson: It's actually usually the verb comes at the end. But for Imperative sentences, the verb comes first. So you did put the verb in the right place.
David J. Peterson: Yeah.
David J. Peterson: So, but yeah. For like ordinary ordinary sentences. Yeah, the verb verb does come at the end. So it's basically sob.
Jessica Sams: Okay okay so awesome. You did another great job. I can't believe you knew any of those words, quite frankly,
David J. Peterson: I remember a family because it's like I came up with it for friend and I thought it was kind of cute, but I also thought it was just didn't work at all. I don't know. It reminded me of something else. It
Jessica Sams: Might be a family.
David J. Peterson: Family that's oh that's maybe that's why it sounds nice.
Jessica Sams: But it's all warm and fuzzy. Okay.
Jessica Sams: Here we go.
Jessica Sams: Wait, let me underline
Jessica Sams: Where I know I was supposed to underline
Jessica Sams: Okay.
Jessica Sams: I'm right now. I'm not yes I
David J. Peterson: Agree.
Jessica Sams: Geeta new Seema Heaney on Gila
David J. Peterson: Okay, so that's definitely that's definitely muntjac kin.
David J. Peterson: City.
David J. Peterson: Yes. I mean, it's got the word. It's got the word seem on it. So, of course, you know that word. I didn't invent
David J. Peterson: That word was in the script from day one. So somebody else invented it. So, Seema Seema and jack kin were and then that total met dog that was. Those were the only words that were in the original script.
David J. Peterson: That. But yeah, he would you say that the
Jessica Sams: Gila it's two different words.
David J. Peterson: Oh see more viewer. Okay.
David J. Peterson: Okay. Oh, sorry.
Jessica Sams: I keep moving it as soon as you start reading
David J. Peterson: Here we go. Lucy more Heaney on Gila
Jessica Sams: That's definitely what I said.
David J. Peterson: I love this language.
David J. Peterson: And is it. Are you sure it's see more and not see more
Jessica Sams: Um, I probably underline the wrong thing.
David J. Peterson: Let's take a look. Oh, no.
David J. Peterson: auto correct, don't do that.
Jessica Sams: Don't you hate that.
Jessica Sams: It thinks it knows what you want.
Yeah.
Jessica Sams: Okay, so
David J. Peterson: Really that
David J. Peterson: No, no, you have it right, according to that but
Jessica Sams: Okay, do
David J. Peterson: I have it wrong in the web page. Now I gotta look it up because that it's not usual I will just say
Okay.
Jessica Sams: So no Emily, it would be similar.
David J. Peterson: Yeah. Ordinarily, it's, it's pretty like it's it's pretty much always penultimate stress unless there's some special reason that it should not be and I
David J. Peterson: Invented special reasons for it to not be
David J. Peterson: A see more. I have wrong in the webpage. My bad. I will fix it. Thank you.
Jessica Sams: You're welcome. See, that's what I'm here for.
Jessica Sams: Will have to do more of these. Let's find out.
David J. Peterson: Here a word I gotta fix that.
Jessica Sams: Okay, so in this language. By the way, I looked up and found a quote from you. You describe it or use it for how you described it.
David J. Peterson: Yeah.
Jessica Sams: I love this a language that sounds at time like a pinball machine and other times, like a babbling brook in a stony pond.
David J. Peterson: What on earth.
David J. Peterson: If I, if I didn't know that I had never done a drug in my life, I would ask what drugs I on when I came up with that.
Jessica Sams: I was like, how do you have a broke in upon
David J. Peterson: I yeah I'm wondering that myself pinball machine seems kind of accurate. I don't know about the second one. Did I do this for like press or something.
Jessica Sams: I think it was an interview, I'd have to look it up. I just remember trying to like look at more information and finding that
Jessica Sams: I'm
David J. Peterson: A mess.
David J. Peterson: Let me ask, I must have been asked to do something like that. I eat those things I eat with a passion.
Jessica Sams: And then you come up with a babbling brook in Estonia upon
Jessica Sams: Now,
Jessica Sams: It's not pulling anything I've had to figure out where I found that.
Jessica Sams: It's, um,
David J. Peterson: It's not the worst thing I've ever done.
David J. Peterson: There was a interview I did for
David J. Peterson: Like a video thing I did, I think it was for variety or something like that.
David J. Peterson: Or it may be
David J. Peterson: Something else. And they had, you know, in depth discussion of, like, you know what you can do with language. And so I was talking about now in classes and I was gonna say like, but
David J. Peterson: I think it was talking about gender and language but it's like it doesn't have to just be male and female, it can be other things like this and this and this and this. And one of the things I said was big versus large
David J. Peterson: I met some all
Jessica Sams: We sure sure but you know sometimes
David J. Peterson: They even put a little graphic up there. So it says big large
Jessica Sams: And that's even better.
David J. Peterson: Oh, it's humiliating like
Jessica Sams: Sorry, I'm still trying to find where I found this and
Jessica Sams: I can't remember. And also it's like
Jessica Sams: Really really weird that my search algorithms are different than like on my on this computer than they are on my home computer because like it's trying to give me like natural language results and trying to find natural languages that look like the name when ducking and
Jessica Sams: It's so bizarre to me.
Jessica Sams: Where was it
David J. Peterson: It is
David J. Peterson: This is something I sent this is something I sent to the actors.
Jessica Sams: Oh, it was a guide. That's right. There was like a little
Jessica Sams: Yeah pronunciation guide a two page thing. Now I remember looking at it.
David J. Peterson: And look at that. If you go to the second page.
David J. Peterson: Under practice under bow sequences, look where it has this dress for see more. Ah.
Jessica Sams: Oh, it sure does.
Jessica Sams: Do you think the wiki is wrong.
David J. Peterson: Oh yeah, no, the wiki is wrong. I made a
Jessica Sams: Mistake. I looked at it.
Jessica Sams: But yeah, it should be similar. Okay.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, so I sent this to the actors. And so, yes, I made up something I also evidently ended a the first sentence with the broken a Stony Point thing with two periods on accident.
Jessica Sams: Yeah, I thought maybe you were just doing a fancy shortened ellipses.
David J. Peterson: No, I absolutely would never do that.
David J. Peterson: Oh goodness gracious. That's one of the most embarrassing things I've ever put my name, my good
Jessica Sams: Well, we are we are just done here. Yeah.
David J. Peterson: Anyway, by the way, I have no idea what that sentence means I don't
Jessica Sams: Well, that's okay because I made it pretty random
Okay.
Jessica Sams: So,
Jessica Sams: Well, first of all, do you know any of the words.
David J. Peterson: To the dirty martini. And I can tell you what the proto form for news. I know it has a name in there. I remember that. So that's the CMO is, which of course on is
David J. Peterson: genitive, or it can also be
David J. Peterson: An orange marker. I think that he might be bunny. Is that right,
David J. Peterson: It is, yeah. So the, the
David J. Peterson: I the I have no idea Gila is it rock.
Jessica Sams: So Gila is actually if it were in isolation would be key walk the
David J. Peterson: Walk. Yeah.
David J. Peterson: Yes. And the name
Jessica Sams: On causes voicing so on Gila and that is the word for a woman.
David J. Peterson: Us a word for women. That's a recent when I created because I was when I was adding stuff to the wiki, I realized that the language is didn't have a word for women.
Jessica Sams: So now it says, and then okay so G is an adverb.
Jessica Sams: And
Jessica Sams: It means net now.
Jessica Sams: Did I put it into place.
David J. Peterson: I mean, you can always go to the front of. It's like that. So the woman gave a rabbit to the witch or give
Jessica Sams: It's actually
Jessica Sams: The verb to new means to help
Jessica Sams: Help. So the which helped be woman's rabbit.
David J. Peterson: The rabbit or the woman.
David J. Peterson: Okay, yes. Okay. There were definitely need to be some extra grammatical stuff in there.
David J. Peterson: Sure, I think, Seema should probably come last because I think it's VO s
Jessica Sams: Okay, so this is it's not listed on the wiki.
David J. Peterson: As far as I know.
Jessica Sams: It could be in a list that I just didn't click Expand
Jessica Sams: So I just did it based on examples, and I thought it was be so based on the examples I could find.
Jessica Sams: But I also was not 100% sure with that. So I, I went with
David J. Peterson: Its
David J. Peterson: So this, this language.
David J. Peterson: This language tries to conspire to always have one argument on the verb.
David J. Peterson: Okay, tries to rearrange things so that it only has one argument.
David J. Peterson: So like it would do things to
David J. Peterson: stuff around
David J. Peterson: And incidentally, it makes it very difficult if you're going from examples to try to figure things out.
David J. Peterson: And also the agreement.
David J. Peterson: Was trying to do it too.
Jessica Sams: And also with the examples.
Jessica Sams: Some of them were with kind of quirky verbs. And so I wasn't sure because it was like one of the because not every word in
Jessica Sams: You know, in the vocabulary actually has an utterance associated with it. And so like one of them that I found for magic because magic was one of the words I have pulled that I was trying to use, but I just couldn't work it in.
Jessica Sams: But it was like, you know, magic has existed in the kingdom or whatever. And so it's like exist is a really weird for
Jessica Sams: In many languages. And so I was going, based on that. And then there was like one other sentence I was comparing that to because it also have magic in it. But again, it was with another verb, and I can't remember what it was, but it was another one of those verbs, where it's like
Jessica Sams: How does the language work with you know how I didn't know which how the language exactly worked with it. So I was just going with VSO question mark.
Jessica Sams: Which may not be correct.
Jessica Sams: Okay. And by the way, in case I haven't made it clear, I feel like I've said it multiple times. But they need to bring that show back and I love them and check in. Okay, so I feel like the listeners needed to hear that.
David J. Peterson: It's one of my
David J. Peterson: Favorites, too. It's my. It was my attempt at Comic Con. We done right.
Jessica Sams: Um, okay. So I'm going to sketch show you my next card cuz
David J. Peterson: Number four.
Jessica Sams: Number four, I tried to get a translation and I read a lot and I clicked a lot and I went around in circles, a lot. And this is all it i i left card was cast a THON question mark, exclamation point, because I couldn't figure out how to translate a single darn thing into the language.
Jessica Sams: You can just like I'm like okay, it's an SOV language. I found that out by reading that one actually has quite a bit of grammar on the wiki.
Jessica Sams: But then, every now and I looked up there was like a noun form, but also a flood form. And I was like, Well, shoot. What's this, what form and then like I couldn't find it quickly.
Jessica Sams: And then there's all these different steps. There's three different stems, which if I had time to like really dive into the grammar. I could have figured out the three different stems, but
Jessica Sams: I kind of put doing these translations off until last night. And so, you know, like sitting there like I how much time do I want to spend on cast of fun.
Jessica Sams: Before I just go in a very big spiral down grammar things. So can you tell me what's a flood form.
David J. Peterson: So in in caster, then the idea was that, and this is the this is the cannon story that we eventually ended up with
David J. Peterson: The cast of things were originally from Planet Castillo, which, you know, whatever. But apparently at one point in time, they came and conquered the planet Iran where the reference were and took it over.
David J. Peterson: The people who did so we're they kind of thought of themselves as like kind of
David J. Peterson: American style 1776 patriots when they were really pretty bad colonizers. And so what happened was, at this point in time in a language. There was a conscious shift in vocabulary, not in grammar.
David J. Peterson: Where they just started talking about things differently to reflect their, you know, hyper nationalistic worldview that everybody that came over to the new planet bought into
David J. Peterson: And what happened with people that remained on the old planet is an interesting
David J. Peterson: Question that the series never really delved into. So because of that,
David J. Peterson: When people spoke from then on, they tried to actively use this new vocabulary is this new way of thinking and new way of being.
David J. Peterson: Okay, as they were presented themselves as cultural superiors, however, of course, language is language. So when they would get pissed off, they would
David J. Peterson: Dip back into the old language and so
David J. Peterson: My cyphy premise was that children who were raised hearing this just believe that there were two different vocabularies
David J. Peterson: Okay, the one that you used in everyday life. And the one that you only use when you were really upset.
David J. Peterson: And so these
David J. Peterson: Were called the flood forms when you have a flood of emotion that comes out and it brings it
David J. Peterson: To the surface.
David J. Peterson: And they were partially triggered by
David J. Peterson: The usage of old pronouns, all of which were phased out.
Jessica Sams: Okay. Okay, so I will say in the vocabulary that is in the wiki, most of what I could have said to you would have been vulgar.
Jessica Sams: I was not finding a lot of noun options.
Jessica Sams: That weren't insults.
Jessica Sams: That weren't flood forums.
Jessica Sams: And so
Jessica Sams: I was like, maybe I'll stick with
Jessica Sams: tween between me getting confused on what what the forums are trying to tell me and then having a difficult time working through because it's one of the noun class dictionaries. And so it's just difficult to try to read on a small screen to figure out
Jessica Sams: Yeah, oh, you know, all the different forms and how they go together.
David J. Peterson: So let me, let me tell you about this grammar, because I was kind of proud of it.
David J. Peterson: The, the final forms for nouns and also reverts arose from an older state of the language where that allowed quotas and at one point in time that just became disallowed.
David J. Peterson: So you couldn't have word final kowtows you couldn't have word internal code as
David J. Peterson: They evolve them again, you can have word internal causes, but you still couldn't have word final quotas.
David J. Peterson: And so something that kind of grew out of this pressure was a
David J. Peterson: Not really a case system, but more like a definite nervous system, there was
David J. Peterson: No, kind of like definite marketing and definite marketing and then there was a evocative
David J. Peterson: Just use when you were talking directly to somebody and that was the EU form. And that's why the general citation form always sends an Uber. Oh, because final you dropped out.
David J. Peterson: For the others, though, when that system died. What was retained was the combination of a post position with one of these forms and specific in a specific meaning so
David J. Peterson: Every now and it's tagged with a post position, kind of like in Japanese outside of certain circumstances.
David J. Peterson: And so in order to produce a sentence in this language. I mean, you just take the verb and conjugate it over and then you decide. All right, what's, what are the arguments. What are their roles, find the post positions and see what terminal form that post position assign
Okay.
Jessica Sams: That sounds so easy.
David J. Peterson: It is so much easier than a Raphael.
David J. Peterson: You just get used to it.
So,
Jessica Sams: I feel it all makes
Jessica Sams: Sense like hearing you say that like things that I read in the grammar clicking together now about cast on that. It's like okay I get where these forms come from and you know if this weren't surprised. I would have called you and been like, just tell me what's going on.
Jessica Sams: But then I did momentarily. I was like, Well, I want to do it defiance language. So I did go over to her at the end. But there wasn't much information there on the wiki yet. And it wasn't anything that I could
Jessica Sams: Translate enough to make sense out of so
Jessica Sams: defiance is only represented by my question mark.
Jessica Sams: So that's that one. Okay, we're on the fifth and final
Okay.
Jessica Sams: Okay, this one is also going to be problematic for me.
Okay.
Jessica Sams: This one. Oh, I also need to say this one is only a phrase.
Jessica Sams: Or not a sentence.
Jessica Sams: But it's a big phrase.
Jessica Sams: Got it heirloom coo coo neighbor, so
Jessica Sams: I already did it backwards. Let's start over heirloom low poo poo neighbors who
Jessica Sams: Did you could argue Kamal
David J. Peterson: I guess that's that's got to be
David J. Peterson: The Shepherd's
Jessica Sams: Issue. Sure is.
David J. Peterson: Whoa.
Jessica Sams: Okay so pronounce it for me because this is awful.
David J. Peterson: heirloom coo coo neighbors who get you could wear, go check. Oh.
Jessica Sams: That was so much more beautiful than what I did. Okay.
Jessica Sams: So,
Jessica Sams: This is now we have a couple problems here why
Jessica Sams: According to a Tumblr post that you wrote verbs are super complex and so they're not going up yet on the wiki.
Jessica Sams: Yep. So there's literally like one verte. They were only one for entry and it was all different forms of the auxiliary for like to be. Yeah.
Jessica Sams: So that was not helpful. Um, so I decided to do like a noun phrase with like nouns and adjectives tied together with like and. But here's the problem.
Jessica Sams: I couldn't find where adjectives went relative to the noun. And so I just assumed a noun adjective word order to go with what is slightly more type of logically frequent slightly could go the other way. It's incredible.
David J. Peterson: Though, that's correct. You got it right.
Jessica Sams: That is, oh yeah and then I shoved the
Jessica Sams: And in between each one.
David J. Peterson: Okay.
Jessica Sams: So, yeah.
Jessica Sams: And yeah.
David J. Peterson: I recognize some of these words I recognize four of these words, but I can't tell you what they mean.
Jessica Sams: At all. Okay, like
David J. Peterson: Okay. Who is that round that
David J. Peterson: Should matter.
Jessica Sams: Oh, versus in here I'm
David J. Peterson: Sad losers.
Jessica Sams: Yes, yes. Okay. And then loyal boo is flat.
Jessica Sams: Flat. Flat Earth.
David J. Peterson: ladders and
Jessica Sams: It's literally flat land because it's not just Earth.
Jessica Sams: So I wasn't trying to be a flat or here.
Jessica Sams: I like to. I like keep kicking under
David J. Peterson: Yeah, like nebojsa kids you I no idea. I don't
Jessica Sams: Doubt. One is, oh, and this one again just having fun with what I can find. So this is quiet fog.
David J. Peterson: Oh, that's nice.
David J. Peterson: Neighbors never because yeah because this is opposite your, your, you should be
David J. Peterson: Some of this where the door is that door.
Jessica Sams: Oh, it's gate.
David J. Peterson: Gate. That's it comes from the same route that gives us door.
Jessica Sams: Tim, can you
Jessica Sams: Jimmy son.
Jessica Sams: Holy
David J. Peterson: Holy ah
David J. Peterson: Yes, holy
Jessica Sams: Holy gate. So Flatland quiet fog and holy gate.
Yeah.
Jessica Sams: Okay, so this one. I'm curious.
Jessica Sams: To know because again, like what I found on a Tumblr post of yours was simply the quote that verbs are very complex. And so I was curious.
Jessica Sams: What, like, what are you know obviously not all of the complex features, because I'm sure there's a lot. But what makes them complex. What makes them complex
David J. Peterson: So the verbs came from P productive European and the only thing that I'm flex. I didn't say anything actually for Penny Dreadful. The only thing that I'm flex is the accelerate which comes at the end of the sentence. And then the content verb itself comes to the beginning of the sentence.
David J. Peterson: Okay, it's kind of sandwich with verbs and and the verb at the beginning is a
David J. Peterson: It's a, it's a participle.
David J. Peterson: It comes, it comes from P i p particles.
David J. Peterson: And I don't get them.
David J. Peterson: Okay.
Like, and that's
David J. Peterson: And they're very difficult to form these martyrs balls.
David J. Peterson: But it's like I definitively wrote up a post like somewhere in my grammar that says this is what all the combinations me so I did it somewhere.
Jessica Sams: Okay.
David J. Peterson: I mean in terms of remembering it. I was just lucky that most of the time I was writing commands in that language made it nice and easy.
Jessica Sams: That is much better. Um, but yeah. So I decided not even to try to look up verbs after I saw that posting that they were complex. I was like, you know what a noun phrases. Good.
Jessica Sams: Word and so everything there's a lot
Jessica Sams: In by a lot. I mean, every single word on my cartoons and who
Jessica Sams: Is that intentional.
David J. Peterson: I mean it's nominative
Jessica Sams: So, okay.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, so that that case it's, it's the same thing comes from pro average a frame my bro Afro Asiatic or Semitic comes from Semitic where it's you know the the usual thing where the EU is nominative is accusative, and he is genitive
Jessica Sams: Okay. And so with the adjectives agree. I mean, they do here because I had them into an Uber will do the adjectives then agree with the noun.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, they agree and agree in case in number.
Jessica Sams: Okay, I'm
Jessica Sams: Just gonna do in Arabic.
David J. Peterson: And it, but when I say genitive, it also just had to construct state.
David J. Peterson: I forget how the E part works. But you know, it's just like in a Katy into, I think it was, I think it was genitive and Acadian wasn't it
Jessica Sams: I'm just smiling.
David J. Peterson: Sure. We're gonna get we're gonna get it right now.
David J. Peterson: I dress Acadian grammar morphology case. There we go. Yep nominative genitive accusative and there ended in EMS so
David J. Peterson: What's this king, probably so sharp
David J. Peterson: As nominative Charlene is genitive shatter them is accusative, and then they have only two duels, I guess nominative an oblique. And same for plural shabu is the nominative plural and shouty is the oblique plural. Cool. Nice. Very
David J. Peterson: Good.
Jessica Sams: Well, you have done astoundingly well at my game, given that you had no idea. I was doing this and that some of my pronunciation. So rather fanciful
David J. Peterson: Pretty good. You did pretty good. I
David J. Peterson: I was tickled to death by that when you said that. What a charming idea.
Jessica Sams: Well, I hope everyone else had fun. That was really that was our whole thing and it has been about an hour as well so
Jessica Sams: Yeah, that was that is our entire episode.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, I mean I guess we should just say something, I don't know.
David J. Peterson: Either topical or personal
Jessica Sams: I mean, I was just going back through it gitane new CMO kini on us.
Jessica Sams: That's how I want to end my
Jessica Sams: Because it has a bunny in it, which is, you know, totally connected with what we're doing.
David J. Peterson: Here I've got a question for you.
Jessica Sams: Okay, you
David J. Peterson: Did you have a phase where were you were really excited. Anytime Val Kilmer movie came out.
Jessica Sams: Not really.
Jessica Sams: Not really. I'm trying to think I'd like I am trying to think of what during his big time.
David J. Peterson: Talk on tombstone. The St Batman Forever.
Jessica Sams: No, like, I mean, I was aware of Val Kilmer thought he was good looking didn't mind watching them. It's in movies but like I wasn't
Jessica Sams: I didn't follow him. Matt Damon came out with a new movie.
Jessica Sams: I had that phase.
David J. Peterson: That was later. Wasn't that college for us.
Jessica Sams: Yeah, would have started around 98 so late high school because Good Will Hunting came out in 98
David J. Peterson: Yeah.
David J. Peterson: But then I suppose what once you were in college, you could actually get to a theater.
Jessica Sams: Yes.
Jessica Sams: Yeah, there was actually a theater in town at that point. So,
David J. Peterson: What an exciting time Jesse in the fall of 1999 what must have been like, do you see electric lights first time.
Jessica Sams: First time ever running water, like what is that
Jessica Sams: Oh, um, yeah. I mean, by the time I was driving, we would carpool like we would shove six of us into a car and and you know carpool to a movie. So, you know, totally saw movies and I saw Titanic in the theater three times so
Jessica Sams: Also Aaliyah Rio phrase.
Jessica Sams: Yeah phrase.
Jessica Sams: Not phrase, but phase.
Jessica Sams: One.
David J. Peterson: We saw it once, but like
David J. Peterson: When I say we thought it was 10 of us.
David J. Peterson: It was good.
David J. Peterson: It was a, like a quintupled group date.
Jessica Sams: I will say that the three times that I saw it in the theater was over, like, a year and a half, because if you recall it came out in like December of
Jessica Sams: 97 and then it was still playing and like may of 99 so I didn't watch it three times. Back to back it was more like, oh, it's still in the theater. Six months later. So let's go see it again and then I would like go see it again.
Jessica Sams: And so, yeah, it was out forever.
Jessica Sams: Was that Justin small rural areas.
David J. Peterson: No.
David J. Peterson: No, that was that was everywhere that was everywhere.
Jessica Sams: I just realized like, wait, maybe that was just because we were at the theater where
Jessica Sams: Yet two screens.
Jessica Sams: Back in the day when we could pay $2 and 50 cents to go see a movie.
Jessica Sams: Those days are gone.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, so as as we close. I got a little treat for those on video.
Jessica Sams: Oh, hey. Okay, so is, is that just Relman curled up by a blanket or is there are there two cats there.
David J. Peterson: No, he isn't he is amongst pillows.
David J. Peterson: And there was a stuffed rabbit above him.
Jessica Sams: I do see the brightly colored stuffed rabbit. There was just a bump to the well to what I think is the left of Roman that I couldn't tell if that was nope. It is not even black. It is blue.
Jessica Sams: The lady. Okay. So yeah, not a blue cat.
David J. Peterson: Meridian calls the rabbit.
David J. Peterson: Flap, sir.
Jessica Sams: Sir,
Jessica Sams: I like that we need flaps to be a word, not
Jessica Sams: In that form, obviously we can't but
Jessica Sams: Something like it.
David J. Peterson: It could be almost it could almost be a cast within word for laps. That would be four laps. That would be the perfect form of something. It could be a verb.
Jessica Sams: And I would assume it's a verb.
David J. Peterson: There is no word for to hop in cast it then.
David J. Peterson: But there is now.
Jessica Sams: Perfect. What made you think about Kilmer, by the way.
David J. Peterson: Um, I don't know. I WAS JUST I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR HAIRCUT. I was like, huh, good hair.
David J. Peterson: Things that we haven't talked about usually the past the 90s. Oh, Val Kilmer yeah good hair.
Jessica Sams: He did have good hair.
Jessica Sams: Yes, he did. And did you ever watch psych
Know,
Jessica Sams: Unfortunate great show.
Jessica Sams: But
David J. Peterson: A crime dramas.
Jessica Sams: But it's kind of comedy drama anyway um so insight. There's like this running gag where they talk about Val Kilmer all the time. And at the very end of the final episode Val Kilmer makes a cameo.
David J. Peterson: Oh, that's nice.
Jessica Sams: And it's great. They also in the final episode because do a hill looks like.
Jessica Sams: Oh my gosh, I can't think of his name. He's the actor who plays Kenny on
Jessica Sams: Because we show he plays booed
David J. Peterson: He's the same actor
Jessica Sams: Know they look alike.
David J. Peterson: And so, people always
Jessica Sams: People always confuse them and Deon Richmond. That's who it is.
Jessica Sams: And so in the final episode deion Richmond was there too. And when you see them side by side. You like okay, I see why people confuse
David J. Peterson: Okay.
David J. Peterson: You just, you just dropped two major spoilers from last season side. Thank you.
Jessica Sams: Sure, I can drop Mark Do you want more.
David J. Peterson: I think
David J. Peterson: I think, I think.
David J. Peterson: Good watches side. Maybe I need to go.
Jessica Sams: You should. Oh, and there's like in the first season. There's an episode about a spelling bee.
David J. Peterson: You're pro spelling things
Jessica Sams: Why wouldn't I be there.
David J. Peterson: Oh, I'm anti spelling bees.
David J. Peterson: This will be our last
Podcast.
Jessica Sams: What's wrong with a good spelling bee.
David J. Peterson: Let's listen. Let's save this will save this production.
Okay.
Jessica Sams: Well,
Jessica Sams: Well, that'd be enough fodder for an entire hour
David J. Peterson: No, but you know
Jessica Sams: So I need to come up with some backup ideas. Okay, I didn't, I didn't know if like your rant would go on so long that, you know, all I would have to do is say spelling bee and then it would be over.
David J. Peterson: And I just, I felt bad because like we had like we had, we had basically finished this podcast all set. Exactly. An hour but then I was like, oh, but we didn't talk about personal stuff. And now I'm just dragging
Jessica Sams: This is also how most of our conversations go
David J. Peterson: This is true, this is true.
Jessica Sams: This chair is chair.
Jessica Sams: Okay, so now for real, then I think we're ready to say to say thank you and stay grammar and goodbye. Did you have anything to add.
David J. Peterson: No, just
David J. Peterson: Brother.
David J. Peterson: You know what, you know what kids stay hydrated.
Jessica Sams: That's very important, especially right now if if like here you're undergoing a heat wave. So yeah. Yes. Very, very important. Okay, so now
Jessica Sams: We'll say farewell. I do.
David J. Peterson: You later.