Jessica Sams: Okay so we are on a cloud server. We are recording.
David J. Peterson: Cloud! Cloud!
Jessica Sams: It feels good. It feels so good.
Jessica Sams: Yeah, so the internet issues have continued and I decided that it was better to just come into my office, than worry about getting kicked off every five minutes and having our patrons having to listen to a podcast two minutes at a time and then robot voice.
Jessica Sams: So,
Jessica Sams: Yeah, here we are. Oh, yeah. Patrons can't see, I'm in my school office. I'm on campus right now--very lonely here, no one else's here.
David J. Peterson: Since since they can't see. It's really cool how you decorated with your social security number in the background.
David J. Peterson: Can you narrate for them?
Jessica Sams: It's, it's just all over. Well, I mean, I think you should narrate. You see it's behind me, clearly you can provide that information.
David J. Peterson: By the way, I want to share this tidbit because I think it happened while you were having an internet hiccup.
David J. Peterson: Yesterday in our stream, but I forget like you were off and I somehow mentioned that I--oh yes, I was going to turn back notifications on, right?
Jessica Sams: Uh huh.
David J. Peterson: So that when you called I was able to answer on my computer; otherwise, I wouldn't be able to answer, right?
Jessica Sams: Right.
David J. Peterson: I turned notifications back on and I mentioned, you know, I hope nobody sends me a text or anything with like, you know, their Social Security number in it.
David J. Peterson: And like not even 30 seconds later, a notification pops up. And it's from Erin and it says, "Hey, just as a reminder, this is my social security number." And she puts out a big number. "And it matches our address 123 Fake Street."
Jessica Sams: You have a good woman.
David J. Peterson: It was so--the timing was so good, that's great.
Jessica Sams: That's awesome. That is awesome.
Jessica Sams: Okay, so first, I've just started talking as if--well, apparently patrons, you need to hear all of this because I've already started talking to you.
Jessica Sams: Yeah. And so therefore, let me belatedly say, "Welcome to LangTime Chat!"
Jessica Sams: This is episode three
Jessica Sams: If we're counting, and we are,
Jessica Sams: so it's very exciting. And today's theme:
Jessica Sams: Inspiration.
Jessica Sams: We need some jazz hands with that. So first, let's just, you know, inspiration, a general way-- Thinking "inspiring" for like getting into a work mode or work groove. What inspires you?
David J. Peterson: 100% music. Absolutely has to be music, which is one of the reasons that doing something like LangTime Studio
David J. Peterson: Or even just doing the things where I record myself working. It's why they're--they're so artificial in a way because, of course, we can't be listening to music. I actually did- I actually did try once
David J. Peterson: With headphones. I tried to listen to music while live streaming
David J. Peterson: It just didn't work as well, like, because you can't be sure of the volume of your voice and, you know,
Jessica Sams: You start shouting
Jessica Sams: Yeah.
David J. Peterson: That's like, you know, also, I like to sing along.
David J. Peterson: But so it's like
David J. Peterson: So yeah, it's not like- it's not like what I'm working- like when I'm on my own because music is going on a hundred percent of time. I got on this power metal kick in...
David J. Peterson: I want to say 2013. Okay. 2013... may have been 2012. I don't know.
David J. Peterson: But I started listening to power metal. And then, in particular, Finnish power metal
David J. Peterson: And that has just kind of carried me through for the past seven years. It's been- it's been so hard to kick, like the things I would listen to in constant rotation, you know, would be like David Bowie, of course, because, because I love David Bowie and then reggae
David J. Peterson: I loved reggae and also West African-
David J. Peterson: I don't know if you want to call it pop or jazz, but
David J. Peterson: you know both like things like Fela Kuti and then also like Baaba Maal and
David J. Peterson: Habib Kwoité. Loved it, loved it.
David J. Peterson: And so
David J. Peterson: Oh wait, sorry. Go ahead.
Jessica Sams: Well, I didn't mean to cut you off from your list. I just, it makes me smile because I love how
Jessica Sams: your tastes differ from mine so much and I am just so basic.
Jessica Sams: You're like, "What kind of music do you listen to?" and I'm thinking, like, OneRepublic love them.
Jessica Sams: Um-
David J. Peterson: Lot of greatest hits
Jessica Sams: Of course, because they're greatest for a reason, David.
Jessica Sams: And Trans-Siberian orchestra, which you still can't get over but I adore listening to them.
David J. Peterson: While I
Jessica Sams: Don't know.
David J. Peterson: Well, it's because, well, it's because it seems so out of step with the rest of what you listen to. That's why like
David J. Peterson: Trans-Siberian Orchestra, like,
David J. Peterson: if you are going to- if you're just going to put up two circles--the Jessie and the David circle--and you said one of these people listens to Trans-Siberian Orchestra. I'd say nine people out of 10 are going to put that with me.
Jessica Sams: It was just, it kind of blew me away. I like a blew me away. It absolutely blew me away.
David J. Peterson: It actually made me wonder why didn't you start listening to other bands that were similar.
Jessica Sams: That's a really good question. Part of it is probably just lack of exposure, because if I- I mean, I didn't necessarily go out of my way to discover artists.
Jessica Sams: In general, that's just how I am. In general, I think, like, I don't go out of my way to discover a lot of new things in life, I don't think. You know, like, even like
Jessica Sams: books, or authors.
Jessica Sams: It's more like what is in my area and if it catches my attention. Then I'm introduced to it. And so, unless somebody actually introduces it to me, then I don't necessarily
Jessica Sams: discover it. And so actually Trans-Siberian Orchestra was introduced to me when I was working at a music store back in grad school.
Jessica Sams: Actually it was during undergrad. It was undergrad and I lived in Colorado every summer and worked at the Castle Rock outlet malls.
Jessica Sams: And I worked at a music store there. And my boss at the time had said that he had told me about Trans-Siberian Orchestra, because we had this demo CD for Beethoven's Last Night.
Jessica Sams: And he was telling me about him like, well, that sounds really cool. So I listened to it--fell in love with it, which is probably why it's still my favorite album of theirs.
Jessica Sams: And he ended up actually giving me that album. So it was just sort of like this, "I love them," and then the first concert-- that next year I finally got to see them in concert-- and I've
Jessica Sams: just been in love, ever since. But it was introduced to me. I don't know that I ever would--well, now, I probably would have because they have commercials on Hallmark channel, and, you know, I watch Hallmark so
David J. Peterson: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Jessica Sams: Shout out for Hallmark. So I probably would have at least heard of them by now, but I probably would not have had the love affair that I've had for--oh my gosh, 20 years now.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, yeah, it's been like that.
Jessica Sams: We have been- we are able to say we were in college 20 years ago.
Jessica Sams: Yep. Wow. Okay, that's
David J. Peterson: That's a lot of life. That's, that's kind of nuts. Yeah, I was just, I was just talking yesterday to the undergraduate student group at Berkeley. And, and, specifically, I was, I was asking for help with something that we're planning for the graduates.
David J. Peterson: And I was like, but I need some input from people who have graduated, you know, less than--and I did the math. I was like, oh, 17 years ago.
Jessica Sams: That's a lot of time.
David J. Peterson: At which point I remark, "Yeah, the time, the period of time from since I graduated, it's almost ready to vote."
Jessica Sams: Oh my gosh, I think. And right now, it
Jessica Sams: well actually, it's this year--2020
Jessica Sams: is the year. Now we're we're crossing over that line of where the 21 year olds, because you know like if you go into a restaurant or a bar, there's that sign of you can't drink if you, you know, you have to be born before this date to drink and like just watching the years go
Jessica Sams: Backwards or go up really
Jessica Sams: It's so bizarre to me to think that next year, someone can legally drink, who was born in 2000 like that to me is like, how is that even possible.
Jessica Sams: And that time is so trippy and that it was not at all where this conversation was supposed to go but there it is. Yeah.
David J. Peterson: Well, we were inspired
David J. Peterson: Anyway, it's so wild to hear you describe the way that you approach like things like music because that's how I would describe somebody else as an insult.
Jessica Sams: But I embrace it. So you can't use it as an insult against me.
Jessica Sams: Because I embrace that about myself. That's who I am.
David J. Peterson: Look, so like with me, for example, I remember. Okay, this is the wildest story for how I got into this. I was already a big fan of metal. Let's just put it there.
David J. Peterson: And that's like for me what for music. It was like the first thing in my life. It was like, you know, Beach Boys and Billy Joel right and then it was like the type of stuff that was played on the radio in the late 80s, early 90s, so like Enya, right
Jessica Sams: Love Enya.
David J. Peterson: Orinoco Flow was big and popular at that time, then it was rap and I was strictly into rap, because of course that was hot at the time. And then after that I transitioned to like hard rock and metal where I stayed and then
David J. Peterson: At
David J. Peterson: [ROBOT VOICE]
David J. Peterson: A friend of mine had an apartment for a while where we would all go over to watch the NBA playoffs and stuff.
Jessica Sams: I'm gonna stop you for just a second.
Jessica Sams: I'm gonna stop you. Because we did have a bit of a cutout in the middle of that sentence and well I can go back to the recording and clean things up. I don't want to miss something you said
Jessica Sams: It picks back up when you said one day at a friend's house. Okay.
Jessica Sams: Before that it cut out in between, like when you were talking about your introduction to metal and then
Jessica Sams: Sure, whatever happened there.
David J. Peterson: Not important so at my friend's house--we would go over to watch the NBA playoffs. This is his apartment right
David J. Peterson: So we would all go and hang out.
David J. Peterson: Two of our friends lived there and he was an IT manager at some sort of company and and he says, "Oh, Dave, I was meaning to play this for you. I thought you would like this." Because he said all of the computers- like what he had done that day- all of the computers have been hacked by somebody
David J. Peterson: And he was like, every single computer was just playing this and he put up an image of an eagle. It was like a, like an American Eagle or something and it had like a flashing background and it was playing a song that I had never heard before by a band that I had never heard of before.
David J. Peterson: And this song was
David J. Peterson: Was- it wasn't Eagle Fly Free. It was- well, anyway, it was by Stradivarius and it was I think it was Freedom by Stradivarius
David J. Peterson: Yes, it was Freedom by Stradivarius and I listened to the song. I was like "Oh my god, what happened? What happened? Where did this song come from?" It's like, because you know what it was like for me getting into metal
David J. Peterson: In the 90s, right. This is when metal was in decline in the United States. Bands started doing experimental stuff. Metallica started releasing country songs and you know all this time stuff.
David J. Peterson: Metal bands started either going underground or doing other things.
Jessica Sams: Right, was this when Michael Jordan decided to play baseball or was that...
David J. Peterson: It was- yes, it was exactly the same time. Very confusing time. Okay. Go on.
David J. Peterson: And so, you know, grunge and rap were in ascendence. Grunge and hip hop and so
David J. Peterson: Anyway, I- so, I look up this band because I'm like, you know, "What is this?" It's like my friend, Ashley was right. It's like "Dave, I knew you'd love this."
David J. Peterson: And so I looked it up and it's this band called Stradivarius. I was like, Okay, I've never heard this band. Where are they from there from Finland.
David J. Peterson: And then I look him up and they have like this huge discography
David J. Peterson: And they're hugely popular in Finland and I start- So I start you know with Napster or whatever the equivalent was at the time--probably LimeWire-- downloading some of their music
David J. Peterson: And I discovered that you know they have a lot of music that sounds really really good and it sounds like it belongs in the 80s and this is when I realized that metal
David J. Peterson: Basically it died in the US, but they found it at that point in time in places like Finland. Right. And they're like, this is the best thing ever. Let's just keep doing that. And so they just picked right on up.
David J. Peterson: They didn't evolve. They were like, let's just make more of this. And it was amazing.
David J. Peterson: And so then I went from, you know, that Finnish band to Night Wish, from Night Wish to Epica, from Epica to- I think I added Delane at that point.
David J. Peterson: And then that was also when I found Sonata Arctica and Sonata Arctica led to, like, all of these other bands and this is how I do things so
David J. Peterson: I appreciate and understand and accept that you need to be exposed to things. And what I'm hearing
David J. Peterson: What I believe you're saying is that you want me to put together some playlists for you.
Jessica Sams: We'll see. We'll see how much or musical tastes overlap when I
David J. Peterson: Don't worry. I'm very clever when it comes
David J. Peterson: To music
Jessica Sams: Nice. It really cracks me up because that same sort of like
Jessica Sams: Attitude of, I don't know, insulting someone for having basic tastes. Sometimes, whatever.
Jessica Sams: So,
Sorry.
Jessica Sams: It's really funny because last night.
Jessica Sams: our internet died so hardcore like we could do anything so
Jessica Sams: Will and I were like, we wanted to watch TV, but couldn't because everything's dead.
So,
Jessica Sams: We ended up. I just told him to go get a DVD and we would, you know, watch a movie old fashioned ways and old fashioned as in
Jessica Sams: DVDs. Yeah.
Jessica Sams: And he picked out Amadeus. Because as I mentioned
Jessica Sams: No, I had--he hadn't
Jessica Sams: So he'd never seen Amadeus before and he is, you know, as you may have caught in the live stream. The other day for the patrons who are listening. He plays cello and so
Jessica Sams: He has gotten like really into classical music like way-- he knows way more than I do.
Jessica Sams: And so it's really interesting to listen to him talk about it.
Jessica Sams: So as we were watching he pauses the movie at one point to do a breakdown of composers and like who--how he ranks them and who his favorite is and why and all this. It's Vivaldi, in case you're wondering.
Jessica Sams: Because apparently Vivaldi was very progressive I don't
Jessica Sams: Know what that means in terms of classical music, but he was. And so I had said, well, my favorite is Beethoven and my favorite piece by Beethoven is Moonlight Sonata and
Jessica Sams: He stops and looks at me with all of the attitude of a
Jessica Sams: teenage boy and was like, "Please tell me you're not one of those people that only knows the first movement."
Jessica Sams: Now, because I actually do like Beethoven, and I really do like Moonlight Sonata. I was able to say, no, I actually
Jessica Sams: Like I actually had bought a CD of the whole thing by a pianist and so like I had heard the entire thing. And so I know the entire piece, not just the famous first movement.
Jessica Sams: But it just cracked me up because he was just like, "I get so tired of how people say this is my favorite classical song, but they only know the popular bits."
David J. Peterson: Oh, vicious.
Jessica Sams: Wow. Wow.
David J. Peterson: He should talk to Doug Ball.
Jessica Sams: Oh, is he into classical music?
David J. Peterson: I mean, he's a composer. It also- yeah just that's pretty much all he listens to. I remember we were talking one day because you know we bond over conlanging and sports. Right.
David J. Peterson: Yes.
Yes--football.
David J. Peterson: Yes, and music to an extent, but like I think at one point in time I was trying to-- it was, it was a Sonata Arctica song. I was like, "You gotta check out this song. It changes keys like three times. And it's so weird." And anyway, we're talking and like, "Oh yeah, I don't listen to music with lyrics."
David J. Peterson: Like, like, that was just tawdry
Jessica Sams: Why would you do that?
Jessica Sams: Yeah, that's amazing.
David J. Peterson: I would actually like to talk to Will about classical music, too, because I- I'm not, like, you know, a poetaster, when it comes to
David J. Peterson: Classical music, but I haven't got the extensive like, you know, knowledge of it like somebody like Doug does or like somebody like I do about something like metal
Jessica Sams: Right.
David J. Peterson: And so I have my preferences and tastes and they're specific, like- like Tchaikovsky's one of my all time favorites. But the way that I talk about it is very unsophisticated and it was kind of fun. So like I refer to the second movement of Beethoven's Ninth as the shark attack.
David J. Peterson: Nice, because that's what it just feels like to me and it, it just makes more sense to me to call it the shark attack movement.
David J. Peterson: And the- my favorite classical piece.
David J. Peterson: I still not quite 100% sure what it's called. Because I always mix it up with something else, because they always have the worst titles. It's like, you know, you know,
David J. Peterson: Sonata for strings in keys, like that's not a title. It's ridiculous. And there's probably like a million of those. So I was at a conference in Spain.
David J. Peterson: Called Ensecretivo, which was very interesting for a number of reasons. I got some wild stories from that. But in this one. I was going to be
David J. Peterson: I was not- I was not in a section with like- we were grouped into speaker sections.
Jessica Sams: Right.
David J. Peterson: But one of the speakers there was a violinist, a young guy he was about our age, maybe a little younger from LA.
David J. Peterson: Who specifically worked with, you know, at risk youth teaching them about classical music and teaching them how to play the violin and things like that, teaching them music appreciation. Anyway, so
David J. Peterson: I
David J. Peterson: And we were in a taxi going to some event for this and it was me and Erin and him and I said, "Hey, my favorite classical piece. It's that one. It's with violin. It's by Tchaikovsky. And it's the one where it goes {singing}."
David J. Peterson: Like, do you know that one.
David J. Peterson: And he's like,
David J. Peterson: Yes. And he says, this is the exact title. Like that's the one! He's like, I said, I've always wanted to hear that one. And he said that there was actually a very good know group that performed it fairly regularly at the performing arts center near my home every year.
David J. Peterson: Oh, wow.
David J. Peterson: I haven't gotten a chance to listen to it yet because I want to take Meridian, but we're going to get there, but I'm going to get there. Very exciting anyway.
David J. Peterson: I love The Nutcracker. I love The Nutcracker. I love the Pas de Deux. I thought it was brilliant. And I thought it was even more brilliant, the way he wrote it. Okay, so get this. I don't know if Will knows this- but if he doesn't know this one you can share this with him later.
David J. Peterson: The Pas de Deux
David J. Peterson: [GARBLED] in the Nutcracker. It's the one that goes {singing}.
David J. Peterson: That- are you familiar
Jessica Sams: Well I, I will say yes, I know that I know it and he knows it because Chris loves The Nutcracker. And so for
Christmas
Jessica Sams: This year, his Christmas gift from Will is he learned Pas de Deux on the cello and played it for him.
David J. Peterson: Oh my god. OK, so that's wonderful. All right. Does he know the story about how it was written.
Jessica Sams: I have no idea.
David J. Peterson: Okay, so then ask him about asked him if he knows how it was written. If it's not, you can you can lay this one on him. It was a dare.
David J. Peterson: It was written on a dare. Somebody dared Tchaikovsky and said, I bet you can't make a popular song that uses the major scale with all the notes in order as the main theme.
David J. Peterson: And Tchaikovsky said I will accept it, if I can do it in either order either ascending or descending. And the guy said fine. And then he created Pas de Deux because that piece, it's the major scale backwards.
Jessica Sams: Wow.
David J. Peterson: That's it.
Jessica Sams: That's amazing.
David J. Peterson: Ah, blew me away.
David J. Peterson: Anyway, so that's
David J. Peterson: I would love to actually I'd actually love to hear him perform it if he ever recorded it.
Jessica Sams: I will have to see if he- if he will be willing to do so.
Jessica Sams: That would be cool. Okay, so we
Jessica Sams: Yeah, sorry. --talked about music.
Jessica Sams: It is really good, you know, I actually find it really interesting because when I was younger, I couldn't work without background noise. Like it would actually if it were totally silent. It was like my brain couldn't concentrate. So like I used to have to turn
Jessica Sams: On you know like the TV in the background or music in the background.
Jessica Sams: Now that I'm older, it's not that I- you don't-- can't work with music, because I do often work with music or whatever in the background.
Jessica Sams: But I find that there are times I'm so engrossed in my work that I didn't realize the music stopped playing like two hours before. And so, like, it's really interesting to me that- Now, whenever I get in my zone, like some I'm like so oblivious to what's going on outside me
Jessica Sams: That I don't even have anything on-- it's just silent, it's me working
David J. Peterson: Nice. Right. I am impressed. Let me lay this one on you before we move on, just real quick. You know Kate Chopin, the author
David J. Peterson: Are you familiar? She wrote The Awakening. That was her big novel. Yeah, apparently when she wrote what she would do was
David J. Peterson: She would like literally just make dinner for her children and husband and then right after dinner in the parlor.
David J. Peterson: Just on a side table by hand, while all of her children were still around and her husband was still there and they would be talking to her and asking things or whatever. She would just sit down and write like right there.
Nice.
David J. Peterson: That's God Tier. I can't imagine
Jessica Sams: I wish, I wish I could do that.
Jessica Sams: Um, so I was actually planning on taking this discussion another way, but now I'm liking this inspiration route and I'm going to save what I had actually planned as my questions- my list of questions.
Jessica Sams: I'm going to save that for our next podcast episode and instead go on a tangent here.
Jessica Sams: Because why not, why not? Okay so music inspires you.
Jessica Sams: Excellent. I also need to know this was a random question I had written down, and I feel like this is something that we just have to discuss so randomly switching gears for just one moment. Do you have a favorite word
David J. Peterson: Um, you mean like in a language or like in anything.
Jessica Sams: Anything. Favorite word
David J. Peterson: I don't I have least favorite words. I know we've talked about that. Right.
Jessica Sams: Yes. Yeah, yeah.
David J. Peterson: Yeah.
Jessica Sams: But no favorite words.
David J. Peterson: Really, to be honest I there are words that I like for intellectual reasons. For example, I love looking at the word for butterfly in every language because it's always interesting.
David J. Peterson: It's never boring. And so I just find that really cool looking at whatever the word for butterfly is in whatever language. I mean, it's just really cool. What's it going to be in a rabbit language?
Jessica Sams: I can't wait to talk about butterflies now.
David J. Peterson: It is a fair question. And you know it's it's funny the way I've conceived this world, right. So we just have the first, you know, five species. Right.
Jessica Sams: Right, but
David J. Peterson: Of course, that stuff is going to get out and you take others. So there could be a Butterfly. Butterfly people
Jessica Sams: Oh my gosh I we have to
Jessica Sams: We have to. That's going to be a sixth language. I just have too.
David J. Peterson: So do you have a favorite word?
David J. Peterson: Oh, sorry. Go.
Jessica Sams: Well, and this was interesting because one of my students, my past students was texting me the other day and I had actually come across a word that I didn't know existed in English: breviloquent.
David J. Peterson: And it means
Jessica Sams: To be concise right from "brevis" short or- yeah, short. And then "loquent" from that speaking kind of Latin
Jessica Sams: Root, and it was just like, it's just so pretty. Now if you look it up in the dictionary. I don't think the connotation is all that great, because I think it means more on the terse side of being concise.
Jessica Sams: But it just--breviloquent.
Jessica Sams: So anyway, she texts me, she's like she's in love with the word, and she has now brought breviloquence to life and we're, we've just decided we're going to make it positive because it's beautiful.
Jessica Sams: And she had said her favorite word was serendipity. And it had been her favorite word for a very long time. But now, breviloquence is like
Jessica Sams: Coming up there for it and it made me wonder, because so many of my students because I deal with, you know, students who think about language, a lot do have like particular words that they just super love
Jessica Sams: And it made me curious from a conlanger point of view, because there are definitely English words I love. But I also know that there are
Jessica Sams: Certain things when it comes to conlanging that like- features I get stuck on because I like them so much, or, you know, like- this has to have a word for this because I like it- like a butterfly. Have to have a word for it because I like them.
Jessica Sams: And I just think that's kind of interesting to see like how having favorite patterns or features and languages could end up crossing over into languages.
David J. Peterson: So I'm going to say two things.
David J. Peterson: Number one.
Jessica Sams: I'm counting them.
David J. Peterson: Number one is I'm going to ruin the word breviloquence.
Jessica Sams: No you're not.
David J. Peterson: No.
Nope.
David J. Peterson: Having problems with low T? Try Breviloquence.
David J. Peterson: Ask your doctor.
Jessica Sams: Why would you... why?
David J. Peterson: So sorry.
David J. Peterson: It's just what you said breviloquent, I'm like, oh my god, that that fits the pattern for these new pharmaceuticals.
Jessica Sams: But it's breviloquent, and it's beautiful and you can't
Jessica Sams: You can't take the beauty away from breviloquent.
David J. Peterson: And the worst part is, it probably would be spelled B-R-A-V-O-L-O-Q-U-I-N-T-Z. Bravoloquintz.
Jessica Sams: With maybe like I feel like there has to be a Y at the front, too.
Jessica Sams: You're right. Like it's- we've got to have the Y, first and foremost,
David J. Peterson: After the B- after the B.
Jessica Sams: Byravoloquintz. Yeah.
David J. Peterson: You're right. Wow.
Jessica Sams: Um, but no, thank you.
Jessica Sams: It is not
Jessica Sams: It does not ruin it. I thought you're gonna like really ruin it for me. For real. Like you knew how
Jessica Sams: You know, like the connotation angle of ruining such a pretty word anyway.
David J. Peterson: Oh, yeah.
David J. Peterson: It was it was. It's a disgusting story it was named after Harry Breviloquent and he was just such an awful, man.
Jessica Sams: And I know you're
Jessica Sams: I know you're lying about that because I have already researched its origins. P.S. Have you ever researched the origins of meniscus. Yeah.
Jessica Sams: It is from the Greek diminutive of moon. And so it means little moon--the crescent
Jessica Sams: Which is why
Jessica Sams: And in case anyone's listening, going, "Meniscus. I know I've heard that before. But who the heck talks about menisci?" Does that- is the plural meniscuses?
Jessica Sams: It's like that- that curve shape that a water droplet has
Jessica Sams: At the top of it that's considered the meniscus where like the water meets the air is that like edge of water, if you will.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, I mean, sports fans hear the word a lot in the context of meniscus tear
Jessica Sams: Because it's also a ligament. So I was not thinking or not a ligament, but something cartilage or something in the joint something
David J. Peterson: I honestly don't know. Like, it's the type of thing where it's like, I absolutely know the name of it, like we know lots of those things as sports fans because- in fact
David J. Peterson: I bet a sports fan is
David J. Peterson: More likely to be able to tell you how long a player will be out with a meniscus tear than to tell you what the hell it is. Well
Jessica Sams: In okay so let's talk. Okay, let's
Jessica Sams: You never got to your number two, but moving forward.
Jessica Sams: We'll come back. This is also another thing that natural languages do that I always
Jessica Sams: It's so hard to emulate in a conlang because you're sort of forcing it because you have to be forcing it because you're like actually creating it.
Jessica Sams: But like in natural languages. How did we get from little moon to meniscus at the edge of the water to cartilage, whatever it is in the joint and like that journey it goes on, where it's like one word sort of shifting shape and meaning.
Jessica Sams: It just blows my mind. Sort of like the other day when I was like wait pith from the fruit. The orange pith.
Jessica Sams: And pithy, to be pithy.
Jessica Sams: It's the same source but like who thought one day, "Oh, if I described you as pithy that means you have a lot of pith, like in the orange?" Like
Jessica Sams: Who did that first
Anyway,
Jessica Sams: Do you not just get lost in words?
David J. Peterson: It's, it's, it is a daunting and not not not humiliating. But I guess what's, what's the word. It's intimidating prospect being a conlanger.
David J. Peterson: Because you look at these older words and where they came from and realize that somebody
David J. Peterson: With a lot-- with access to a lot less knowledge than you did came up with this word for this reason. It's just like, how- how? Like
David J. Peterson: We can come up with a bunch of words for stuff now for the stuff we don't know. Look it up on Wikipedia and come up with them.
David J. Peterson: But it's like I can only imagine that just one day you know you know Greekramos comes to his friend Egramos and says, "Hey, my father died," and Egramos is all like, "Hey, can I see that body? I'm going to like cut it up and look at the stuff inside it and then give it names."
David J. Peterson: Oh, that looks like a little moon thing. Let's do it.
David J. Peterson: "You getting this- you getting this, Greekamos?"
David J. Peterson: "Yeah, I'm writing it down."
Jessica Sams: And I know that's exactly how it happened. I'm sure
David J. Peterson: I'm sure
Jessica Sams: But that is- that is one thing.
Jessica Sams: Whenever we start- because obviously like I think somebody had said something about
Jessica Sams: Coming up with a word for heart and you had stopped and said- in our rabbit language, there was that connection- and you had said, "But wait, do they, was there a surgeon. Do they know
Jessica Sams: What's inside?" And that is such a big thing that we take for granted, is, you know, all these words that we have for technical things because we know they exist and then trying to think of, if I had discovered that, what would I have named it
Jessica Sams: And it probably would have been something like what you see in a pharmaceutical commercial. I would have been like every one of my favorite letters is going into this word.
Jessica Sams: And it will be pronounced the way I want it to be pronounced because, doggone it, I found it.
David J. Peterson: I imagine it would be a little different with animals because it'd be like, you know, they're just hopping along and said like, "Oh dang. Bob's getting eat up. Yeah. Yes. That's a shame. What do you think that is?"
Jessica Sams: You know, and, and that is very true, but then
Jessica Sams: Do they make the connection of seeing carnage potentially gnawing on the carnage if they have some hare blood in them.
Jessica Sams: And do they make that connection then to
Jessica Sams: This may be what this does inside my body.
Jessica Sams: You would just name it as an object because you wouldn't know necessarily what it did. And so, yeah, you would look for commonalities between things you already know, but like
Jessica Sams: Then that means we're gonna have to research what the organs look like because what does a rabbit heart look like, I don't know.
David J. Peterson: Probably going to be named based on their level of chewiness.
Jessica Sams: Oh, I do not want to know.
Jessica Sams: Well, I'm gonna be
Jessica Sams: uh
David J. Peterson: Wow, that wolf is really chewing on that thing.
Jessica Sams: I'm going to be very ghosty that day. I don't want to know!
Jessica Sams: I'll come back when we're done.
Jessica Sams: With these poor animals.
Jessica Sams: Oh my gosh. Okay, so let's go back. What was number one.
David J. Peterson: Oh, yeah. So number two was. I mean, it was kind of similar to what I- what I- what I brought up, but it is... This is another one of my conlanger worries. So I mean, the one conlanger worry is that I don't have
David J. Peterson: I don't have enough knowledge of what it would be like to explore the world at a time when we had a lot less technology.
David J. Peterson: Right, so I'm not sure if I'm sensibly coining words in a way that would be realistic. But another one is the--this is more of a top level concern--is that
David J. Peterson: You don't recognize the patterns that you fall into as a language creator. I'm often asked if there are, you know, like I
David J. Peterson: Have a signature of the things I often do I'm said like, well, it's not really a question I'm supposed to answer. It's a question that somebody who studies my stuff is supposed to answer. And frankly, I don't want to see what they answer
David J. Peterson: Is because I'll probably be embarrassed, be like, Oh, I did that in every language. Wow.
Jessica Sams: And then you'll like, avoid it for every language thereafter. Or- or you defiantly embrace it like I do with my love of what music I do love. Defiantly embrace it and say, that's me.
Jessica Sams: That's what you gotta do and say, yes, I do have that sound in every language. I do have a word like that in every language. Why? Because I like it.
David J. Peterson: Or or it's like even better. You just create a little private language on your own, where you do all the things you never do. And it's like, Oh, you're doing that, again, it's like yeah well I just did, you know, the opposite of that.
Jessica Sams: I just did this other thing, obviously you don't know all my work.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, it's, it's the opposite happened all the time in {David does an un-transcribable word here to make it impossible for a good transcript}
David J. Peterson: Just don't know about it.
Jessica Sams: Did you do that word on purpose because you know I'm trying to get a recording with the transcript of this and you're waiting to see what happens with that word? Is- are you are you doing this to me on purpose.
David J. Peterson: I forgot. And we're already spelling breviloquent and everything. Do you think it's got breviloquent loaded up there?
Jessica Sams: It'll be really interesting to see what it does.
Jessica Sams: And how many things I have to fix.
David J. Peterson: And menisci.
David J. Peterson: You said mensisci. What do you think it's going to do with menisci?
Jessica Sams: I think it's going to do men in sky.
Jessica Sams: Alright, three words, it's
David J. Peterson: Pretty much the same thing.
Jessica Sams: Because this is the same transcription software, by the way, that I sent you the picture. It was a sentence that was supposed to say "it does indeed pass" but it came out as "doesn't he pass" and it was very confusing when you're trying to read and understand
David J. Peterson: I mean it's it's honestly it's- it's a- it's a pretty misogynistic algorithm. Let's just admit that, because how- How did it change your name?
Jessica Sams: It changed it to the spelling that you would typically associate with them a male Jesse. J-E-S-S-E. Yes
David J. Peterson: That's right. It looked at it and said somebody who's getting promoted a full professor can't be female.
Jessica Sams: But didn't you used to always spell my name that way, David?
David J. Peterson: Yeah maliciously
Jessica Sams: That was back when we were bitter enemies-
Yeah.
David J. Peterson: When we were bitter enemies and only I knew it
Jessica Sams: Because I was fangirling to hard.
David J. Peterson: I'm so embarrassed. The only way- the only way to live out- to live through the shame of it is to endlessly mock myself about it for the rest of my life. It's fine.
Jessica Sams: OK, so now that people listening along may be confused. Do you want to share some of that or let that be a
Jessica Sams: Just know that at one point.
Jessica Sams: There was enemy-ship.
David J. Peterson: But only on one half
David J. Peterson: Yeah, it was- it was wild. I had a hate board. Your pictures were all over it.
Jessica Sams: And like, please tell me there was a dartboard
David J. Peterson: Yeah, and it was just the type of thing where, you know, it's a very normal thing where it's like right before I go to sleep.
David J. Peterson: I stare at your photo and just hate it for five minutes and then I go to sleep and I wake up in the morning I do the same thing, right, when I wake up that I can brush my teeth and I go about my day, you know,
Jessica Sams: I mean that's sometimes that's the best way
Jessica Sams: to start
Jessica Sams: the day. Who needs positivity and mindfulness and meditation, when you
Jessica Sams: When you've got vengeance.
David J. Peterson: The best part of waking up is vengeance in your cup.
Jessica Sams: I was just, it was just singing the Folger song I'm glad that you went that direction.
David J. Peterson: Yes, but I'll give- I'll give the short version. Essentially, there was a time when I was tremendously jealous of Jessie
David J. Peterson: Because here she was teaching a conlang class at a university, something that was like my dream and I was just disgusted, especially because there was- there had been a trend. This is a trend of
David J. Peterson: Linguists who'd never conlanged before teaching conlang classes. It turns out, Jessie was not one of those, but I didn't know that at the time. I made some key assumptions there. There may be a photo with us, that shows me expressing some tremendous negative energy
Jessica Sams: I was wondering if you caught that.
David J. Peterson: Yeah. Did you see how I'm leaning away from you.
David J. Peterson: Yes, it's
Jessica Sams: And a fake smile all over your face, like, do I have to stand here.
David J. Peterson: Oh my god.
Jessica Sams: Our first picture together, everyone.
David J. Peterson: Of all things, this is, this is kind of a weird coincidence but my grandfather went late in life and got his, his degree in
David J. Peterson: Not clinical psychiatry, but psychology and he's- and he's worked as a psychologist since then. He has a lot of books on psychology and he had a big library and so periodically, I'd want to borrow some of his books.
David J. Peterson: And one of the books I borrowed was a part of a series, which, for whatever reason, they were like introductory psychology topics that had like almost cartoonish covers. So it's like almost like they were being marketed to kids, but they were not kids books, they were
David J. Peterson: Right, very anyway. One of these books was about the psychology of photographs
David J. Peterson: Oh and and I read it and I learned a lot about how to analyze photographs and the dynamics between people based on their expression and their stance and how far or how close they're standing to one another.
David J. Peterson: Right, so like
David J. Peterson: I've just kind of carried that knowledge, along with me for years. Like I read that as a teenager. And so it's like you showed me that photo. Our first photo together. I'm looking at it, and I'm like, oh god, that is so humiliating.
David J. Peterson: But I was like, but surely, nobody else will notice, who else has read this book, who knows about the psychology of photographs
Jessica Sams: Well, now a lot of people do, because
Jessica Sams: You know, all of our patrons.
Jessica Sams: Our growing base now knows.
Jessica Sams: And I think I'm gonna have to share that photo.
Jessica Sams: As one of the resources.
David J. Peterson: You're right, it's gonna have to go up with this podcast.
Jessica Sams: Just say
Jessica Sams: This is the epic photo.
Jessica Sams: Oh, more recent photos were much more positive.
David J. Peterson: Yeah yeah like actually we should put up that other one that one that I showed you for-
David J. Peterson: So you could see the change
Jessica Sams: It's amazing what friendship does.
David J. Peterson: Yeah.
Jessica Sams: Oh that is great and when, when you all do see the photo, you're going to see me with a bunch of people-- bunch. There's four other people with the same shirt on. And those were my students from-- well, some of my students from the conlang class that David was mentioning
Jessica Sams: From one particular semester that would have been the- the 2013 semester. Whenever I first met David at the Language Creation Conference.
Jessica Sams: And so my, I had a handful of students who are able to go to Austin.
Jessica Sams: So it was like a five, five and a half hour drive for us. So I had a handful of students who were able to go and we had a class t shirt. And so we all decided that day, like we would show up in our class t shirt and it was very exciting.
Jessica Sams: And David was super stoked to meet me and it's like on his bucket list what I need to do.
David J. Peterson: Oh, man.
Jessica Sams: Oh,
David J. Peterson: Good. Did you drive all that way.
Jessica Sams: Yeah yeah
David J. Peterson: I guess that kind of makes sense because it's like, do you want to drive five hours to a place or two hours to an airport
Jessica Sams: And then wait for two hours to get on your plane.
Jessica Sams: Yeah, yeah, we still take the plane but yeah
Jessica Sams: But, but not only that but it costs more, you just drive
David J. Peterson: Yeah, I guess. Did you did you come with with all of your students? Were you all in the same car? Did you caravan?
Jessica Sams: No. So they actually all came sort of separately. Some of them went together, but a lot of them have friends in the Austin area. So they wanted to go stay with their friends and actually extend all weekend and you know like
Jessica Sams: Yeah into an event. One of my students needed a ride to Austin. So I had driven him up to Austin. But then he hooked up with the other students. And you know went their direction.
Jessica Sams: So yeah, it was we were all sort of migrating west.
David J. Peterson: Really quickly, you know what I would have done, I would have had my cool, awesome pilot husband fly me from Nacogdoches to Austin.
Jessica Sams: Okay, so that does. I know it sounds cool people listening.
Jessica Sams: But it actually costs more money to fly than you may think. Because you have to. We don't own a plane. So like you got to pay the hourly rate on a plane which is not cheap.
Jessica Sams: And then you gotta tie down and you've got to pay to tie down at an airport. Then I also have to get their rental car.
Jessica Sams: To be able to leave the airport because once I'm there I don't have a car.
David J. Peterson: And we did then- Uber didn't exist at that time.
Jessica Sams: Right. And so, you know, like it's-it sounds, "Oh, why don't you just fly?" But unless you actually own the plane and have people at the other end, it's not always easier. And so, yeah, no, I just drove
David J. Peterson: I never said it would be easy.
David J. Peterson: I only said it would be worth it.
Jessica Sams: I okay so I actually
Jessica Sams: I can't, I maybe it's just I need to be in them more. I get plane sick. I don't get carsick. I get little plane sick- like big planes don't bother me, but little planes with the motions in the air.... I
Jessica Sams: I cannot be in one for more than I think the longest I've made it as a little over an hour.
Jessica Sams: And
Jessica Sams: I was like, I'm ready to be on the ground again.
David J. Peterson: 100% opposite for me. I hate, I hate being in a car. I hate, hate being in a car.
Jessica Sams: Well then, I'm glad. Every time you visit I get to take you on a two and a half hour drive to the airport
David J. Peterson: Well, that's the thing, though. I mean, being being in the car with somebody else, especially somebody you like to be in the car with that makes it- that makes it all the
David J. Peterson: better. Yeah, yeah.
Jessica Sams: Oh,
Jessica Sams: Let's. Okay, so we've just devolved into story hour
Jessica Sams: Let's tell a little story.
Jessica Sams: About what happens when you drive to the airport in East Texas.
Jessica Sams: Middle of nowhere and a logging truck has overturned on the interstate shutting down
Jessica Sams: The entire
Jessica Sams: Interstate for both directions. Let's
Talk.
Jessica Sams: About the two and a half hour trip that turned into
Jessica Sams: Well it took me almost four hours to get you there, which meant you also
Jessica Sams: missed your flight because it took so long to get there. That our two hour window for the flight was gone
Jessica Sams: And so you ended up- because you were leaving from Houston to go to another school in Texas.
Jessica Sams: Yeah, and I think you ended up having to drive that whole way this
Jessica Sams: Or take a taxi or something, which meant you were in the car all freaking day
David J. Peterson: Oh, yeah. So this is, this is what I did. And I'm still so mad about this. So I actually did arrive at the airport before my flight was going to take off.
David J. Peterson: And this was a small flight. Right. So this is a flight from Houston to Victoria, Texas.
David J. Peterson: Which it's like I can honestly understand if there are people in Texas who've never heard of Victoria, Texas.
David J. Peterson: It's it's a small small place. So it was a small airplane and there was only like two flights, you know, you know, twice a day. That was it. Commuter flights.
David J. Peterson: Anyway, I get there and you know I'm running my ass off. And it's 15 minutes before the flight leaves and it's like I'm here.
David J. Peterson: And then they're like, oh no, we've already closed the door. Like, I can literally look out the window and see the plane-- it's sitting there.
David J. Peterson: They actually ended up leaving five minutes late, but I'm like, Please, I'm right here. Can I just get on the plane like there's no other plane. And they're like, Oh, I'm sorry.
David J. Peterson: And then at one point in time, the guy just walks away like as I'm talking to him like he's just done with me. So he just walks away walks to the back, and I was it
David J. Peterson: There was nobody else there.
David J. Peterson: There was nobody at the counter. So I'm like, what the hell am I going to do? So it's like I got on the phone with somebody over in Victoria, explained the situation to them. And I explained to them the logging truck. Good lord.
David J. Peterson: And of all things like because you know it was it was a bit of a drive. There were like, you know, I was like, it's going to be very expensive to take a taxi, the whole way. And so somebody there out of the kindness of her heart said, Okay, this is what we'll do.
David J. Peterson: There is this spot that is halfway between. I'll drive there right now. You take a taxi there right now and then we'll, we'll switch and split the difference. So I showed up late and there was a big house party like the dean's house or something like most of the food had been eaten.
David J. Peterson: Because I was like,
David J. Peterson: I think I was like two and a half, three hours late.
David J. Peterson: Many people had left
David J. Peterson: No, you know, I gave my talk. The next day, and everything. I was actually very interesting because I think I told you that they had a horseshoe museum there.
Jessica Sams: Yes, you did
David J. Peterson: Sorry not horseshoe, not horseshoe. Branding. Branding iron
David J. Peterson: Branding iron. Right.
David J. Peterson: In addition to the crazy story about the, the Spanish ship that was sunk there. And the people that want to Canada anyway, but yeah man that
David J. Peterson: That sucked. Because it was- it was going to be so perfect, because there's going to be like, I'm already going to be in Texas. Anyway, I can just do this really quick and really easy.
David J. Peterson: And then this, this guy in this logging truck and I'm pretty sure this is actually what happened. He just says to the guy on the radio says, "Hey, hey. Bet you can't tip over your logs."
David J. Peterson: "And I'll show you."
Jessica Sams: Show you.
Jessica Sams: How to tip these over. Yeah. So, and I don't even know if I told you about my return trip from dropping you off because there's really, there's no other way to really get to the airport, except on that interstate.
Jessica Sams: And so even all the little back roads dump back out on the interstate. So there's really not a good way to avoid it. So I was stuck again in a line on the way back.
Jessica Sams: While we're in a line not moving. Mind you, or if we do move. It's like five miles an hour for 20 feet and then you stop.
Jessica Sams: The person behind me freakin rear ended me
David J. Peterson: What
Yeah.
Jessica Sams: Yeah.
Jessica Sams: I'm like, we're in a stopped line of traffic.
Jessica Sams: And you just slam on your gas.
Jessica Sams: So,
Jessica Sams: Yeah, so I had to get my car fixed after that because I mean
Jessica Sams: Like rear ended me
Jessica Sams: It was in of course like nobody can make it to the accident site so thankfully they were honest people and showed me their
Jessica Sams: Insurance information and when insurance called, they were like, yeah, that happened.
Jessica Sams: And so it was all okay but it was the longest day because that normally it would be a five hour round trip.
Jessica Sams: And I was in the car for over 10 hours that day.
Jessica Sams: It's just like this is I'm so done. But it did mean that the next time I drove you to the airport, I think we left like eight hours early because
Jessica Sams: So if we get stuck on the interstate.
David J. Peterson: So for another conlang Truman State connection. I had a kind of little accident that involved Doug Ball. I still feel really bad about this, but
David J. Peterson: The previous time that I had driven somebody to the airport, it was Erin and she was going up to visit her family and I get on- and I started driving on our freeway and I realize after about
David J. Peterson: 20 minutes- because we were leaving late that I had gotten on the 405 North to go to LAX, but her flight left from Orange County which
David J. Peterson: required me to take the 405 South
Jessica Sams: Oh no
David J. Peterson: Already late, I drove 20 minutes in the wrong direction.
David J. Peterson: And so it's like I get off and you know I hurry back the other way. But, indeed. She missed her flight and she was stuck at the airport for like an hour and a half before she can take the next one so
David J. Peterson: Fast forward to the LSA that was an Anaheim. Doug Ball was staying with us because he was, he was at the LSA. And it just so happened that that was NFL playoff weekend.
David J. Peterson: And so it was like, cool. We'll get to watch some games and we were watching a game between the Seahawks and the Cowboys.
David J. Peterson: And it's about like Doug's leaving from Orange County. So this is an airport. That's like 20 minutes from my house. Maybe usually like 15 minutes
David J. Peterson: And it's about three and a half hours until its flight takes off and we're in the middle of the game and I say, "Hey, Doug, you know what? We should really leave."
David J. Peterson: And he's like, "Why?" I was like, "I just want to make sure you get there own time. The last time I took someone to the airport it was Erin and she missed her
David J. Peterson: flight. It was a disaster." And like all right so he kind of like begrudgingly left. Even though we're in the middle of watching this game we listened to the rest of it.
David J. Peterson: As we were driving there. And it just so happened. It was a rather famous or at least infamous game because
David J. Peterson: For whatever reason, I guess the holder for the Cowboys was out. And so, Tony Romo their quarterback was the holder.
David J. Peterson: And they just had to kick a very a chippy field goal to either tie it or win it in the last second, and Tony Romo was the holder.
David J. Peterson: And the long snapper gives it back to him and Tony Romo fumbles the hold
David J. Peterson: The kick doesn't go off. The Cowboys lose--an absolute shocker. And we had a listen to it on the radio, as we were pulling into the airport. Anyway, turned out I got there so early and that Doug felt-- or the people there felt so sorry for Doug, that they let them take it earlier flight.
Jessica Sams: Airport. Always. Always fun when you have to go to the airport.
Jessica Sams: So,
Jessica Sams: I think, I think we've been inspired today.
Jessica Sams: Like I said, I had a whole plan.
Jessica Sams: But plans, you know, go awry and for people still listening, thank you for listening, even through any of the potential hiccups, because I know it's paused, even a couple more times. But I just let it happen.
Jessica Sams: That's technology and that's life. And so thank you for making it to the end. We will wrap up here and join you again in a month to talk about, you know, the rest of what I had written down and it will be
Jessica Sams: Yeah.
David J. Peterson: I can't wait.
I can't wait.
Jessica Sams: Out of the-- I'm guessing out of the five questions I have written down our next one will get through half of one
Jessica Sams: Not even a whole one. I love when I go in over prepared and end up going, "Wait." Oh fun side story. Okay, sorry, this is one more devolving side story.
Jessica Sams: So, but it has to do with being prepared and a level of being prepared. So my very first time ever teaching
Jessica Sams: It was the fall of 2005 and I was a grad student at Boulder and I was supposed to be a teaching assistant that fall for like one of the big classes. And so I was just going to be in charge of the recitations right so
David J. Peterson: Only those
Jessica Sams: Little meetings, someone else was teaching the class. Two weeks before the semester begins,
Jessica Sams: This person who was scheduled- another grad student was scheduled to teach their English grammar class and like at the last minute had a different job offer. And so they were like, Well, I'm going to take this because it pays more money and it totally made sense.
Jessica Sams: But that meant they needed someone to cover this class. And so they asked me to
David J. Peterson: Do and
Jessica Sams: I had never taught a class before. Never
Jessica Sams: Wow, like never been in charge of a class- you know, I'd given presentations before. I had done, things like that. But I had never been in charge of a class.
Jessica Sams: So I had a lot of support, you know, like I had colleagues give me syllabi and materials. The books were already chosen so like I had all of those elements in place. Except, here's the thing. Like going in day one.
Jessica Sams: You like you need more information than you may think to teach a 50-minute class.
Jessica Sams: So I had typed up my notes. I had like everything I wanted to say. I have pages and pages of notes and I'm thinking, Okay, I've got everything planned out. I've got my lecture.
Jessica Sams: I get in. I'm going through, got all my information, going through page after page giving examples. Nobody stopping me so I keep going and then I stop. I get to the end of my notes. I look up at the clock. We're 12 minutes into class and I have nothing more to say.
Jessica Sams: So,
Jessica Sams: I literally just look around. "Does anyone have any questions?" No one raises their hand. So I said, "Well, then I'll see you next time."
Jessica Sams: Because I had no idea what to do.
Jessica Sams: For 38 minutes
Jessica Sams: It was great. I figured it out after a while, and I figured out how to appropriately plan out my time and now I usually go way long and I don't realize we're past the time. But yeah, that was my first day just
Jessica Sams: That that kind of blew me away. I was not expecting to have a problem with time management in that way.
Jessica Sams: The little things you don't think about if you've never taught before
Jessica Sams: And with that, with that we do need to bid adieu and go on.
Jessica Sams: And so, any final notes.
David J. Peterson: I need to start thinking of final notes in advance.
Jessica Sams: Anything pithy to offer in a breviloquent
Jessica Sams: Manner.
David J. Peterson: Honestly though i i guess the only thing I could say is, get ready for episode four, when we do episode three for real.
Jessica Sams: Yes.
Jessica Sams: It'll be like 3A, 3B, 3C by the time we get to 3W will just give up and say, yeah, I think that was, that was a wrap.
David J. Peterson: A thousand and one podcasts.
Jessica Sams: Yes, but
Jessica Sams: Thank you all for being here and being wonderful patrons and we will see you soon on our live stream.
Jessica Sams: Bye!