WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.410 --> 00:00:03.480 Jessica Sams: Okay so we are on a cloud server. We are recording. 2 00:00:04.259 --> 00:00:06.720 David J. Peterson: Cloud! Cloud! 3 00:00:07.649 --> 00:00:09.480 Jessica Sams: It feels good. It feels so good. 4 00:00:10.620 --> 00:00:28.260 Jessica Sams: Yeah, so the internet issues have continued and I decided that it was better to just come into my office, than worry about getting kicked off every five minutes and having our patrons having to listen to a podcast two minutes at a time and then robot voice. 5 00:00:31.020 --> 00:00:31.560 Jessica Sams: So, 6 00:00:31.620 --> 00:00:39.990 Jessica Sams: Yeah, here we are. Oh, yeah. Patrons can't see, I'm in my school office. I'm on campus right now--very lonely here, no one else's here. 7 00:00:40.440 --> 00:00:46.350 David J. Peterson: Since since they can't see. It's really cool how you decorated with your social security number in the background. 8 00:00:46.530 --> 00:00:48.030 David J. Peterson: Can you narrate for them? 9 00:00:48.570 --> 00:00:57.990 Jessica Sams: It's, it's just all over. Well, I mean, I think you should narrate. You see it's behind me, clearly you can provide that information. 10 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:05.340 David J. Peterson: By the way, I want to share this tidbit because I think it happened while you were having an internet hiccup. 11 00:01:07.110 --> 00:01:16.530 David J. Peterson: Yesterday in our stream, but I forget like you were off and I somehow mentioned that I--oh yes, I was going to turn back notifications on, right? 12 00:01:16.830 --> 00:01:17.100 Jessica Sams: Uh huh. 13 00:01:17.130 --> 00:01:23.580 David J. Peterson: So that when you called I was able to answer on my computer; otherwise, I wouldn't be able to answer, right? 14 00:01:23.820 --> 00:01:24.270 Jessica Sams: Right. 15 00:01:24.420 --> 00:01:32.580 David J. Peterson: I turned notifications back on and I mentioned, you know, I hope nobody sends me a text or anything with like, you know, their Social Security number in it. 16 00:01:33.060 --> 00:01:45.960 David J. Peterson: And like not even 30 seconds later, a notification pops up. And it's from Erin and it says, "Hey, just as a reminder, this is my social security number." And she puts out a big number. "And it matches our address 123 Fake Street." 17 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:47.940 Jessica Sams: You have a good woman. 18 00:01:49.230 --> 00:01:52.020 David J. Peterson: It was so--the timing was so good, that's great. 19 00:01:52.980 --> 00:01:54.840 Jessica Sams: That's awesome. That is awesome. 20 00:01:56.220 --> 00:02:04.080 Jessica Sams: Okay, so first, I've just started talking as if--well, apparently patrons, you need to hear all of this because I've already started talking to you. 21 00:02:04.320 --> 00:02:10.560 Jessica Sams: Yeah. And so therefore, let me belatedly say, "Welcome to LangTime Chat!" 22 00:02:12.570 --> 00:02:14.040 Jessica Sams: This is episode three 23 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:16.560 Jessica Sams: If we're counting, and we are, 24 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:21.990 Jessica Sams: so it's very exciting. And today's theme: 25 00:02:23.310 --> 00:02:24.390 Jessica Sams: Inspiration. 26 00:02:26.850 --> 00:02:39.660 Jessica Sams: We need some jazz hands with that. So first, let's just, you know, inspiration, a general way-- Thinking "inspiring" for like getting into a work mode or work groove. What inspires you? 27 00:02:40.410 --> 00:02:50.940 David J. Peterson: 100% music. Absolutely has to be music, which is one of the reasons that doing something like LangTime Studio 28 00:02:51.960 --> 00:03:04.830 David J. Peterson: Or even just doing the things where I record myself working. It's why they're--they're so artificial in a way because, of course, we can't be listening to music. I actually did- I actually did try once 29 00:03:05.940 --> 00:03:09.750 David J. Peterson: With headphones. I tried to listen to music while live streaming 30 00:03:11.460 --> 00:03:18.690 David J. Peterson: It just didn't work as well, like, because you can't be sure of the volume of your voice and, you know, 31 00:03:19.140 --> 00:03:20.100 Jessica Sams: You start shouting 32 00:03:21.060 --> 00:03:21.510 Jessica Sams: Yeah. 33 00:03:22.020 --> 00:03:24.750 David J. Peterson: That's like, you know, also, I like to sing along. 34 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:27.150 David J. Peterson: But so it's like 35 00:03:27.780 --> 00:03:41.280 David J. Peterson: So yeah, it's not like- it's not like what I'm working- like when I'm on my own because music is going on a hundred percent of time. I got on this power metal kick in... 36 00:03:43.710 --> 00:03:51.660 David J. Peterson: I want to say 2013. Okay. 2013... may have been 2012. I don't know. 37 00:03:52.950 --> 00:03:58.230 David J. Peterson: But I started listening to power metal. And then, in particular, Finnish power metal 38 00:03:59.370 --> 00:04:17.850 David J. Peterson: And that has just kind of carried me through for the past seven years. It's been- it's been so hard to kick, like the things I would listen to in constant rotation, you know, would be like David Bowie, of course, because, because I love David Bowie and then reggae 39 00:04:19.530 --> 00:04:23.730 David J. Peterson: I loved reggae and also West African- 40 00:04:25.080 --> 00:04:27.690 David J. Peterson: I don't know if you want to call it pop or jazz, but 41 00:04:28.710 --> 00:04:36.690 David J. Peterson: you know both like things like Fela Kuti and then also like Baaba Maal and 42 00:04:38.280 --> 00:04:40.980 David J. Peterson: Habib Kwoité. Loved it, loved it. 43 00:04:41.790 --> 00:04:42.330 David J. Peterson: And so 44 00:04:43.050 --> 00:04:43.830 David J. Peterson: Oh wait, sorry. Go ahead. 45 00:04:44.460 --> 00:04:50.190 Jessica Sams: Well, I didn't mean to cut you off from your list. I just, it makes me smile because I love how 46 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:55.830 Jessica Sams: your tastes differ from mine so much and I am just so basic. 47 00:04:57.090 --> 00:05:03.300 Jessica Sams: You're like, "What kind of music do you listen to?" and I'm thinking, like, OneRepublic love them. 48 00:05:04.500 --> 00:05:04.530 Jessica Sams: Um- 49 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:05.910 David J. Peterson: Lot of greatest hits 50 00:05:06.210 --> 00:05:09.600 Jessica Sams: Of course, because they're greatest for a reason, David. 51 00:05:12.540 --> 00:05:18.630 Jessica Sams: And Trans-Siberian orchestra, which you still can't get over but I adore listening to them. 52 00:05:18.630 --> 00:05:18.900 David J. Peterson: While I 53 00:05:19.080 --> 00:05:19.470 Jessica Sams: Don't know. 54 00:05:19.980 --> 00:05:24.750 David J. Peterson: Well, it's because, well, it's because it seems so out of step with the rest of what you listen to. That's why like 55 00:05:24.840 --> 00:05:26.760 David J. Peterson: Trans-Siberian Orchestra, like, 56 00:05:27.180 --> 00:05:36.420 David J. Peterson: if you are going to- if you're just going to put up two circles--the Jessie and the David circle--and you said one of these people listens to Trans-Siberian Orchestra. I'd say nine people out of 10 are going to put that with me. 57 00:05:39.030 --> 00:05:42.840 Jessica Sams: It was just, it kind of blew me away. I like a blew me away. It absolutely blew me away. 58 00:05:43.170 --> 00:05:48.900 David J. Peterson: It actually made me wonder why didn't you start listening to other bands that were similar. 59 00:05:50.430 --> 00:06:00.540 Jessica Sams: That's a really good question. Part of it is probably just lack of exposure, because if I- I mean, I didn't necessarily go out of my way to discover artists. 60 00:06:01.320 --> 00:06:09.510 Jessica Sams: In general, that's just how I am. In general, I think, like, I don't go out of my way to discover a lot of new things in life, I don't think. You know, like, even like 61 00:06:09.510 --> 00:06:11.940 Jessica Sams: books, or authors. 62 00:06:12.150 --> 00:06:24.360 Jessica Sams: It's more like what is in my area and if it catches my attention. Then I'm introduced to it. And so, unless somebody actually introduces it to me, then I don't necessarily 63 00:06:26.310 --> 00:06:34.650 Jessica Sams: discover it. And so actually Trans-Siberian Orchestra was introduced to me when I was working at a music store back in grad school. 64 00:06:35.580 --> 00:06:42.330 Jessica Sams: Actually it was during undergrad. It was undergrad and I lived in Colorado every summer and worked at the Castle Rock outlet malls. 65 00:06:43.080 --> 00:06:54.510 Jessica Sams: And I worked at a music store there. And my boss at the time had said that he had told me about Trans-Siberian Orchestra, because we had this demo CD for Beethoven's Last Night. 66 00:06:54.990 --> 00:07:02.910 Jessica Sams: And he was telling me about him like, well, that sounds really cool. So I listened to it--fell in love with it, which is probably why it's still my favorite album of theirs. 67 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:12.540 Jessica Sams: And he ended up actually giving me that album. So it was just sort of like this, "I love them," and then the first concert-- that next year I finally got to see them in concert-- and I've 68 00:07:12.960 --> 00:07:23.520 Jessica Sams: just been in love, ever since. But it was introduced to me. I don't know that I ever would--well, now, I probably would have because they have commercials on Hallmark channel, and, you know, I watch Hallmark so 69 00:07:23.580 --> 00:07:24.540 David J. Peterson: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. 70 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:35.310 Jessica Sams: Shout out for Hallmark. So I probably would have at least heard of them by now, but I probably would not have had the love affair that I've had for--oh my gosh, 20 years now. 71 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:38.220 David J. Peterson: Yeah, yeah, it's been like that. 72 00:07:38.550 --> 00:07:43.440 Jessica Sams: We have been- we are able to say we were in college 20 years ago. 73 00:07:44.700 --> 00:07:47.550 Jessica Sams: Yep. Wow. Okay, that's 74 00:07:47.700 --> 00:08:03.090 David J. Peterson: That's a lot of life. That's, that's kind of nuts. Yeah, I was just, I was just talking yesterday to the undergraduate student group at Berkeley. And, and, specifically, I was, I was asking for help with something that we're planning for the graduates. 75 00:08:04.410 --> 00:08:12.900 David J. Peterson: And I was like, but I need some input from people who have graduated, you know, less than--and I did the math. I was like, oh, 17 years ago. 76 00:08:14.310 --> 00:08:15.360 Jessica Sams: That's a lot of time. 77 00:08:16.830 --> 00:08:23.640 David J. Peterson: At which point I remark, "Yeah, the time, the period of time from since I graduated, it's almost ready to vote." 78 00:08:24.180 --> 00:08:27.810 Jessica Sams: Oh my gosh, I think. And right now, it 79 00:08:28.890 --> 00:08:31.740 Jessica Sams: well actually, it's this year--2020 80 00:08:32.490 --> 00:08:46.530 Jessica Sams: is the year. Now we're we're crossing over that line of where the 21 year olds, because you know like if you go into a restaurant or a bar, there's that sign of you can't drink if you, you know, you have to be born before this date to drink and like just watching the years go 81 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:50.010 Jessica Sams: Backwards or go up really 82 00:08:51.030 --> 00:09:00.330 Jessica Sams: It's so bizarre to me to think that next year, someone can legally drink, who was born in 2000 like that to me is like, how is that even possible. 83 00:09:02.340 --> 00:09:09.600 Jessica Sams: And that time is so trippy and that it was not at all where this conversation was supposed to go but there it is. Yeah. 84 00:09:10.110 --> 00:09:11.160 David J. Peterson: Well, we were inspired 85 00:09:12.570 --> 00:09:24.330 David J. Peterson: Anyway, it's so wild to hear you describe the way that you approach like things like music because that's how I would describe somebody else as an insult. 86 00:09:28.350 --> 00:09:31.380 Jessica Sams: But I embrace it. So you can't use it as an insult against me. 87 00:09:31.650 --> 00:09:34.470 Jessica Sams: Because I embrace that about myself. That's who I am. 88 00:09:34.680 --> 00:09:43.380 David J. Peterson: Look, so like with me, for example, I remember. Okay, this is the wildest story for how I got into this. I was already a big fan of metal. Let's just put it there. 89 00:09:43.770 --> 00:09:59.400 David J. Peterson: And that's like for me what for music. It was like the first thing in my life. It was like, you know, Beach Boys and Billy Joel right and then it was like the type of stuff that was played on the radio in the late 80s, early 90s, so like Enya, right 90 00:09:59.430 --> 00:10:00.390 Jessica Sams: Love Enya. 91 00:10:00.990 --> 00:10:13.530 David J. Peterson: Orinoco Flow was big and popular at that time, then it was rap and I was strictly into rap, because of course that was hot at the time. And then after that I transitioned to like hard rock and metal where I stayed and then 92 00:10:15.090 --> 00:10:15.420 David J. Peterson: At 93 00:10:18.810 --> 00:10:20.370 David J. Peterson: [ROBOT VOICE] 94 00:10:22.110 --> 00:10:28.980 David J. Peterson: A friend of mine had an apartment for a while where we would all go over to watch the NBA playoffs and stuff. 95 00:10:29.250 --> 00:10:30.960 Jessica Sams: I'm gonna stop you for just a second. 96 00:10:31.050 --> 00:10:40.200 Jessica Sams: I'm gonna stop you. Because we did have a bit of a cutout in the middle of that sentence and well I can go back to the recording and clean things up. I don't want to miss something you said 97 00:10:40.590 --> 00:10:44.160 Jessica Sams: It picks back up when you said one day at a friend's house. Okay. 98 00:10:44.190 --> 00:10:49.680 Jessica Sams: Before that it cut out in between, like when you were talking about your introduction to metal and then 99 00:10:49.860 --> 00:10:51.120 Jessica Sams: Sure, whatever happened there. 100 00:10:51.570 --> 00:10:56.760 David J. Peterson: Not important so at my friend's house--we would go over to watch the NBA playoffs. This is his apartment right 101 00:10:57.390 --> 00:10:58.620 David J. Peterson: So we would all go and hang out. 102 00:10:59.220 --> 00:11:17.070 David J. Peterson: Two of our friends lived there and he was an IT manager at some sort of company and and he says, "Oh, Dave, I was meaning to play this for you. I thought you would like this." Because he said all of the computers- like what he had done that day- all of the computers have been hacked by somebody 103 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:38.520 David J. Peterson: And he was like, every single computer was just playing this and he put up an image of an eagle. It was like a, like an American Eagle or something and it had like a flashing background and it was playing a song that I had never heard before by a band that I had never heard of before. 104 00:11:39.930 --> 00:11:41.430 David J. Peterson: And this song was 105 00:11:42.690 --> 00:11:52.230 David J. Peterson: Was- it wasn't Eagle Fly Free. It was- well, anyway, it was by Stradivarius and it was I think it was Freedom by Stradivarius 106 00:11:53.100 --> 00:12:09.150 David J. Peterson: Yes, it was Freedom by Stradivarius and I listened to the song. I was like "Oh my god, what happened? What happened? Where did this song come from?" It's like, because you know what it was like for me getting into metal 107 00:12:10.260 --> 00:12:21.450 David J. Peterson: In the 90s, right. This is when metal was in decline in the United States. Bands started doing experimental stuff. Metallica started releasing country songs and you know all this time stuff. 108 00:12:22.470 --> 00:12:25.770 David J. Peterson: Metal bands started either going underground or doing other things. 109 00:12:25.920 --> 00:12:29.010 Jessica Sams: Right, was this when Michael Jordan decided to play baseball or was that... 110 00:12:29.190 --> 00:12:32.940 David J. Peterson: It was- yes, it was exactly the same time. Very confusing time. Okay. Go on. 111 00:12:33.390 --> 00:12:37.890 David J. Peterson: And so, you know, grunge and rap were in ascendence. Grunge and hip hop and so 112 00:12:38.700 --> 00:12:44.730 David J. Peterson: Anyway, I- so, I look up this band because I'm like, you know, "What is this?" It's like my friend, Ashley was right. It's like "Dave, I knew you'd love this." 113 00:12:45.330 --> 00:12:51.420 David J. Peterson: And so I looked it up and it's this band called Stradivarius. I was like, Okay, I've never heard this band. Where are they from there from Finland. 114 00:12:52.110 --> 00:12:55.290 David J. Peterson: And then I look him up and they have like this huge discography 115 00:12:55.800 --> 00:13:04.890 David J. Peterson: And they're hugely popular in Finland and I start- So I start you know with Napster or whatever the equivalent was at the time--probably LimeWire-- downloading some of their music 116 00:13:05.490 --> 00:13:15.660 David J. Peterson: And I discovered that you know they have a lot of music that sounds really really good and it sounds like it belongs in the 80s and this is when I realized that metal 117 00:13:16.350 --> 00:13:27.240 David J. Peterson: Basically it died in the US, but they found it at that point in time in places like Finland. Right. And they're like, this is the best thing ever. Let's just keep doing that. And so they just picked right on up. 118 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:32.640 David J. Peterson: They didn't evolve. They were like, let's just make more of this. And it was amazing. 119 00:13:33.060 --> 00:13:42.450 David J. Peterson: And so then I went from, you know, that Finnish band to Night Wish, from Night Wish to Epica, from Epica to- I think I added Delane at that point. 120 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:50.250 David J. Peterson: And then that was also when I found Sonata Arctica and Sonata Arctica led to, like, all of these other bands and this is how I do things so 121 00:13:51.180 --> 00:13:55.950 David J. Peterson: I appreciate and understand and accept that you need to be exposed to things. And what I'm hearing 122 00:13:56.370 --> 00:14:01.050 David J. Peterson: What I believe you're saying is that you want me to put together some playlists for you. 123 00:14:02.850 --> 00:14:07.320 Jessica Sams: We'll see. We'll see how much or musical tastes overlap when I 124 00:14:07.350 --> 00:14:09.780 David J. Peterson: Don't worry. I'm very clever when it comes 125 00:14:10.710 --> 00:14:11.490 David J. Peterson: To music 126 00:14:11.790 --> 00:14:16.050 Jessica Sams: Nice. It really cracks me up because that same sort of like 127 00:14:17.310 --> 00:14:22.140 Jessica Sams: Attitude of, I don't know, insulting someone for having basic tastes. Sometimes, whatever. 128 00:14:23.550 --> 00:14:23.970 Jessica Sams: So, 129 00:14:24.420 --> 00:14:24.900 Sorry. 130 00:14:26.880 --> 00:14:29.640 Jessica Sams: It's really funny because last night. 131 00:14:31.110 --> 00:14:34.770 Jessica Sams: our internet died so hardcore like we could do anything so 132 00:14:34.980 --> 00:14:38.460 Jessica Sams: Will and I were like, we wanted to watch TV, but couldn't because everything's dead. 133 00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:38.880 So, 134 00:14:39.900 --> 00:14:48.960 Jessica Sams: We ended up. I just told him to go get a DVD and we would, you know, watch a movie old fashioned ways and old fashioned as in 135 00:14:49.170 --> 00:14:49.920 Jessica Sams: DVDs. Yeah. 136 00:14:50.310 --> 00:14:55.290 Jessica Sams: And he picked out Amadeus. Because as I mentioned 137 00:14:56.550 --> 00:14:57.930 Jessica Sams: No, I had--he hadn't 138 00:14:58.530 --> 00:15:10.650 Jessica Sams: So he'd never seen Amadeus before and he is, you know, as you may have caught in the live stream. The other day for the patrons who are listening. He plays cello and so 139 00:15:10.830 --> 00:15:15.570 Jessica Sams: He has gotten like really into classical music like way-- he knows way more than I do. 140 00:15:16.050 --> 00:15:19.440 Jessica Sams: And so it's really interesting to listen to him talk about it. 141 00:15:19.920 --> 00:15:32.670 Jessica Sams: So as we were watching he pauses the movie at one point to do a breakdown of composers and like who--how he ranks them and who his favorite is and why and all this. It's Vivaldi, in case you're wondering. 142 00:15:33.870 --> 00:15:36.360 Jessica Sams: Because apparently Vivaldi was very progressive I don't 143 00:15:36.450 --> 00:15:48.630 Jessica Sams: Know what that means in terms of classical music, but he was. And so I had said, well, my favorite is Beethoven and my favorite piece by Beethoven is Moonlight Sonata and 144 00:15:49.890 --> 00:15:53.430 Jessica Sams: He stops and looks at me with all of the attitude of a 145 00:15:53.880 --> 00:16:00.300 Jessica Sams: teenage boy and was like, "Please tell me you're not one of those people that only knows the first movement." 146 00:16:04.830 --> 00:16:13.020 Jessica Sams: Now, because I actually do like Beethoven, and I really do like Moonlight Sonata. I was able to say, no, I actually 147 00:16:13.470 --> 00:16:23.490 Jessica Sams: Like I actually had bought a CD of the whole thing by a pianist and so like I had heard the entire thing. And so I know the entire piece, not just the famous first movement. 148 00:16:23.970 --> 00:16:32.790 Jessica Sams: But it just cracked me up because he was just like, "I get so tired of how people say this is my favorite classical song, but they only know the popular bits." 149 00:16:34.290 --> 00:16:34.590 David J. Peterson: Oh, vicious. 150 00:16:35.880 --> 00:16:37.470 Jessica Sams: Wow. Wow. 151 00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:39.510 David J. Peterson: He should talk to Doug Ball. 152 00:16:40.260 --> 00:16:41.940 Jessica Sams: Oh, is he into classical music? 153 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:51.840 David J. Peterson: I mean, he's a composer. It also- yeah just that's pretty much all he listens to. I remember we were talking one day because you know we bond over conlanging and sports. Right. 154 00:16:51.870 --> 00:16:52.290 David J. Peterson: Yes. 155 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:52.890 Yes--football. 156 00:16:54.090 --> 00:17:13.830 David J. Peterson: Yes, and music to an extent, but like I think at one point in time I was trying to-- it was, it was a Sonata Arctica song. I was like, "You gotta check out this song. It changes keys like three times. And it's so weird." And anyway, we're talking and like, "Oh yeah, I don't listen to music with lyrics." 157 00:17:16.050 --> 00:17:17.940 David J. Peterson: Like, like, that was just tawdry 158 00:17:21.030 --> 00:17:21.840 Jessica Sams: Why would you do that? 159 00:17:22.290 --> 00:17:23.580 Jessica Sams: Yeah, that's amazing. 160 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:31.320 David J. Peterson: I would actually like to talk to Will about classical music, too, because I- I'm not, like, you know, a poetaster, when it comes to 161 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:40.500 David J. Peterson: Classical music, but I haven't got the extensive like, you know, knowledge of it like somebody like Doug does or like somebody like I do about something like metal 162 00:17:41.010 --> 00:17:41.490 Jessica Sams: Right. 163 00:17:41.670 --> 00:17:58.230 David J. Peterson: And so I have my preferences and tastes and they're specific, like- like Tchaikovsky's one of my all time favorites. But the way that I talk about it is very unsophisticated and it was kind of fun. So like I refer to the second movement of Beethoven's Ninth as the shark attack. 164 00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:05.430 David J. Peterson: Nice, because that's what it just feels like to me and it, it just makes more sense to me to call it the shark attack movement. 165 00:18:06.540 --> 00:18:10.200 David J. Peterson: And the- my favorite classical piece. 166 00:18:11.370 --> 00:18:20.340 David J. Peterson: I still not quite 100% sure what it's called. Because I always mix it up with something else, because they always have the worst titles. It's like, you know, you know, 167 00:18:20.820 --> 00:18:34.620 David J. Peterson: Sonata for strings in keys, like that's not a title. It's ridiculous. And there's probably like a million of those. So I was at a conference in Spain. 168 00:18:35.280 --> 00:18:43.200 David J. Peterson: Called Ensecretivo, which was very interesting for a number of reasons. I got some wild stories from that. But in this one. I was going to be 169 00:18:44.310 --> 00:18:47.970 David J. Peterson: I was not- I was not in a section with like- we were grouped into speaker sections. 170 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:48.570 Jessica Sams: Right. 171 00:18:48.600 --> 00:18:56.640 David J. Peterson: But one of the speakers there was a violinist, a young guy he was about our age, maybe a little younger from LA. 172 00:18:57.600 --> 00:19:09.150 David J. Peterson: Who specifically worked with, you know, at risk youth teaching them about classical music and teaching them how to play the violin and things like that, teaching them music appreciation. Anyway, so 173 00:19:10.770 --> 00:19:11.250 David J. Peterson: I 174 00:19:12.420 --> 00:19:27.600 David J. Peterson: And we were in a taxi going to some event for this and it was me and Erin and him and I said, "Hey, my favorite classical piece. It's that one. It's with violin. It's by Tchaikovsky. And it's the one where it goes {singing}." 175 00:19:30.990 --> 00:19:32.040 David J. Peterson: Like, do you know that one. 176 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:33.390 David J. Peterson: And he's like, 177 00:19:33.990 --> 00:19:51.870 David J. Peterson: Yes. And he says, this is the exact title. Like that's the one! He's like, I said, I've always wanted to hear that one. And he said that there was actually a very good know group that performed it fairly regularly at the performing arts center near my home every year. 178 00:19:52.320 --> 00:19:52.980 David J. Peterson: Oh, wow. 179 00:19:53.520 --> 00:19:59.280 David J. Peterson: I haven't gotten a chance to listen to it yet because I want to take Meridian, but we're going to get there, but I'm going to get there. Very exciting anyway. 180 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:14.460 David J. Peterson: I love The Nutcracker. I love The Nutcracker. I love the Pas de Deux. I thought it was brilliant. And I thought it was even more brilliant, the way he wrote it. Okay, so get this. I don't know if Will knows this- but if he doesn't know this one you can share this with him later. 181 00:20:15.510 --> 00:20:16.080 David J. Peterson: The Pas de Deux 182 00:20:18.270 --> 00:20:21.210 David J. Peterson: [GARBLED] in the Nutcracker. It's the one that goes {singing}. 183 00:20:22.530 --> 00:20:24.240 David J. Peterson: That- are you familiar 184 00:20:25.530 --> 00:20:33.120 Jessica Sams: Well I, I will say yes, I know that I know it and he knows it because Chris loves The Nutcracker. And so for 185 00:20:33.270 --> 00:20:33.780 Christmas 186 00:20:34.800 --> 00:20:39.270 Jessica Sams: This year, his Christmas gift from Will is he learned Pas de Deux on the cello and played it for him. 187 00:20:40.020 --> 00:20:44.580 David J. Peterson: Oh my god. OK, so that's wonderful. All right. Does he know the story about how it was written. 188 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.840 Jessica Sams: I have no idea. 189 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:53.850 David J. Peterson: Okay, so then ask him about asked him if he knows how it was written. If it's not, you can you can lay this one on him. It was a dare. 190 00:20:54.660 --> 00:21:06.660 David J. Peterson: It was written on a dare. Somebody dared Tchaikovsky and said, I bet you can't make a popular song that uses the major scale with all the notes in order as the main theme. 191 00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:21.570 David J. Peterson: And Tchaikovsky said I will accept it, if I can do it in either order either ascending or descending. And the guy said fine. And then he created Pas de Deux because that piece, it's the major scale backwards. 192 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:24.270 Jessica Sams: Wow. 193 00:21:25.260 --> 00:21:25.800 David J. Peterson: That's it. 194 00:21:26.550 --> 00:21:27.330 Jessica Sams: That's amazing. 195 00:21:27.780 --> 00:21:29.580 David J. Peterson: Ah, blew me away. 196 00:21:30.990 --> 00:21:33.060 David J. Peterson: Anyway, so that's 197 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.450 David J. Peterson: I would love to actually I'd actually love to hear him perform it if he ever recorded it. 198 00:21:37.470 --> 00:21:40.830 Jessica Sams: I will have to see if he- if he will be willing to do so. 199 00:21:42.570 --> 00:21:45.120 Jessica Sams: That would be cool. Okay, so we 200 00:21:45.600 --> 00:21:48.120 Jessica Sams: Yeah, sorry. --talked about music. 201 00:21:51.750 --> 00:22:06.450 Jessica Sams: It is really good, you know, I actually find it really interesting because when I was younger, I couldn't work without background noise. Like it would actually if it were totally silent. It was like my brain couldn't concentrate. So like I used to have to turn 202 00:22:06.450 --> 00:22:09.660 Jessica Sams: On you know like the TV in the background or music in the background. 203 00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:17.850 Jessica Sams: Now that I'm older, it's not that I- you don't-- can't work with music, because I do often work with music or whatever in the background. 204 00:22:18.510 --> 00:22:33.300 Jessica Sams: But I find that there are times I'm so engrossed in my work that I didn't realize the music stopped playing like two hours before. And so, like, it's really interesting to me that- Now, whenever I get in my zone, like some I'm like so oblivious to what's going on outside me 205 00:22:34.800 --> 00:22:38.430 Jessica Sams: That I don't even have anything on-- it's just silent, it's me working 206 00:22:39.030 --> 00:22:45.180 David J. Peterson: Nice. Right. I am impressed. Let me lay this one on you before we move on, just real quick. You know Kate Chopin, the author 207 00:22:46.560 --> 00:22:56.160 David J. Peterson: Are you familiar? She wrote The Awakening. That was her big novel. Yeah, apparently when she wrote what she would do was 208 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:05.820 David J. Peterson: She would like literally just make dinner for her children and husband and then right after dinner in the parlor. 209 00:23:06.390 --> 00:23:16.290 David J. Peterson: Just on a side table by hand, while all of her children were still around and her husband was still there and they would be talking to her and asking things or whatever. She would just sit down and write like right there. 210 00:23:16.830 --> 00:23:17.490 Nice. 211 00:23:19.050 --> 00:23:21.360 David J. Peterson: That's God Tier. I can't imagine 212 00:23:21.750 --> 00:23:25.980 Jessica Sams: I wish, I wish I could do that. 213 00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:41.880 Jessica Sams: Um, so I was actually planning on taking this discussion another way, but now I'm liking this inspiration route and I'm going to save what I had actually planned as my questions- my list of questions. 214 00:23:42.450 --> 00:23:47.160 Jessica Sams: I'm going to save that for our next podcast episode and instead go on a tangent here. 215 00:23:48.540 --> 00:23:53.670 Jessica Sams: Because why not, why not? Okay so music inspires you. 216 00:23:55.110 --> 00:24:08.250 Jessica Sams: Excellent. I also need to know this was a random question I had written down, and I feel like this is something that we just have to discuss so randomly switching gears for just one moment. Do you have a favorite word 217 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:12.750 David J. Peterson: Um, you mean like in a language or like in anything. 218 00:24:13.260 --> 00:24:14.550 Jessica Sams: Anything. Favorite word 219 00:24:15.540 --> 00:24:19.470 David J. Peterson: I don't I have least favorite words. I know we've talked about that. Right. 220 00:24:19.470 --> 00:24:20.670 Jessica Sams: Yes. Yeah, yeah. 221 00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:21.270 David J. Peterson: Yeah. 222 00:24:21.630 --> 00:24:22.830 Jessica Sams: But no favorite words. 223 00:24:24.300 --> 00:24:36.090 David J. Peterson: Really, to be honest I there are words that I like for intellectual reasons. For example, I love looking at the word for butterfly in every language because it's always interesting. 224 00:24:36.150 --> 00:24:44.970 David J. Peterson: It's never boring. And so I just find that really cool looking at whatever the word for butterfly is in whatever language. I mean, it's just really cool. What's it going to be in a rabbit language? 225 00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:47.760 Jessica Sams: I can't wait to talk about butterflies now. 226 00:24:47.850 --> 00:24:55.770 David J. Peterson: It is a fair question. And you know it's it's funny the way I've conceived this world, right. So we just have the first, you know, five species. Right. 227 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:56.580 Jessica Sams: Right, but 228 00:24:56.610 --> 00:25:02.970 David J. Peterson: Of course, that stuff is going to get out and you take others. So there could be a Butterfly. Butterfly people 229 00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:05.280 Jessica Sams: Oh my gosh I we have to 230 00:25:06.090 --> 00:25:10.800 Jessica Sams: We have to. That's going to be a sixth language. I just have too. 231 00:25:11.910 --> 00:25:13.380 David J. Peterson: So do you have a favorite word? 232 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:14.490 David J. Peterson: Oh, sorry. Go. 233 00:25:15.390 --> 00:25:29.700 Jessica Sams: Well, and this was interesting because one of my students, my past students was texting me the other day and I had actually come across a word that I didn't know existed in English: breviloquent. 234 00:25:30.780 --> 00:25:31.890 David J. Peterson: And it means 235 00:25:31.950 --> 00:25:39.450 Jessica Sams: To be concise right from "brevis" short or- yeah, short. And then "loquent" from that speaking kind of Latin 236 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:49.740 Jessica Sams: Root, and it was just like, it's just so pretty. Now if you look it up in the dictionary. I don't think the connotation is all that great, because I think it means more on the terse side of being concise. 237 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:51.870 Jessica Sams: But it just--breviloquent. 238 00:25:52.020 --> 00:26:02.190 Jessica Sams: So anyway, she texts me, she's like she's in love with the word, and she has now brought breviloquence to life and we're, we've just decided we're going to make it positive because it's beautiful. 239 00:26:03.150 --> 00:26:11.370 Jessica Sams: And she had said her favorite word was serendipity. And it had been her favorite word for a very long time. But now, breviloquence is like 240 00:26:12.630 --> 00:26:24.540 Jessica Sams: Coming up there for it and it made me wonder, because so many of my students because I deal with, you know, students who think about language, a lot do have like particular words that they just super love 241 00:26:25.170 --> 00:26:32.130 Jessica Sams: And it made me curious from a conlanger point of view, because there are definitely English words I love. But I also know that there are 242 00:26:32.760 --> 00:26:45.270 Jessica Sams: Certain things when it comes to conlanging that like- features I get stuck on because I like them so much, or, you know, like- this has to have a word for this because I like it- like a butterfly. Have to have a word for it because I like them. 243 00:26:46.890 --> 00:26:56.490 Jessica Sams: And I just think that's kind of interesting to see like how having favorite patterns or features and languages could end up crossing over into languages. 244 00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:00.990 David J. Peterson: So I'm going to say two things. 245 00:27:01.950 --> 00:27:02.460 David J. Peterson: Number one. 246 00:27:02.850 --> 00:27:03.480 Jessica Sams: I'm counting them. 247 00:27:04.050 --> 00:27:08.130 David J. Peterson: Number one is I'm going to ruin the word breviloquence. 248 00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:09.930 Jessica Sams: No you're not. 249 00:27:12.870 --> 00:27:13.080 David J. Peterson: No. 250 00:27:14.040 --> 00:27:14.400 Nope. 251 00:27:16.290 --> 00:27:20.340 David J. Peterson: Having problems with low T? Try Breviloquence. 252 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:27.270 David J. Peterson: Ask your doctor. 253 00:27:29.550 --> 00:27:31.260 Jessica Sams: Why would you... why? 254 00:27:32.490 --> 00:27:33.270 David J. Peterson: So sorry. 255 00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:41.730 David J. Peterson: It's just what you said breviloquent, I'm like, oh my god, that that fits the pattern for these new pharmaceuticals. 256 00:27:43.290 --> 00:27:46.380 Jessica Sams: But it's breviloquent, and it's beautiful and you can't 257 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.890 Jessica Sams: You can't take the beauty away from breviloquent. 258 00:27:51.510 --> 00:28:01.800 David J. Peterson: And the worst part is, it probably would be spelled B-R-A-V-O-L-O-Q-U-I-N-T-Z. Bravoloquintz. 259 00:28:03.930 --> 00:28:09.570 Jessica Sams: With maybe like I feel like there has to be a Y at the front, too. 260 00:28:10.290 --> 00:28:14.730 Jessica Sams: You're right. Like it's- we've got to have the Y, first and foremost, 261 00:28:15.090 --> 00:28:16.350 David J. Peterson: After the B- after the B. 262 00:28:16.620 --> 00:28:18.690 Jessica Sams: Byravoloquintz. Yeah. 263 00:28:19.590 --> 00:28:20.850 David J. Peterson: You're right. Wow. 264 00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.220 Jessica Sams: Um, but no, thank you. 265 00:28:23.610 --> 00:28:24.750 Jessica Sams: It is not 266 00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:30.660 Jessica Sams: It does not ruin it. I thought you're gonna like really ruin it for me. For real. Like you knew how 267 00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:37.170 Jessica Sams: You know, like the connotation angle of ruining such a pretty word anyway. 268 00:28:37.320 --> 00:28:37.890 David J. Peterson: Oh, yeah. 269 00:28:38.130 --> 00:28:44.310 David J. Peterson: It was it was. It's a disgusting story it was named after Harry Breviloquent and he was just such an awful, man. 270 00:28:45.270 --> 00:28:46.380 Jessica Sams: And I know you're 271 00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:55.920 Jessica Sams: I know you're lying about that because I have already researched its origins. P.S. Have you ever researched the origins of meniscus. Yeah. 272 00:28:56.970 --> 00:29:03.390 Jessica Sams: It is from the Greek diminutive of moon. And so it means little moon--the crescent 273 00:29:03.540 --> 00:29:04.380 Jessica Sams: Which is why 274 00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:11.970 Jessica Sams: And in case anyone's listening, going, "Meniscus. I know I've heard that before. But who the heck talks about menisci?" Does that- is the plural meniscuses? 275 00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:17.910 Jessica Sams: It's like that- that curve shape that a water droplet has 276 00:29:19.050 --> 00:29:24.690 Jessica Sams: At the top of it that's considered the meniscus where like the water meets the air is that like edge of water, if you will. 277 00:29:25.710 --> 00:29:32.100 David J. Peterson: Yeah, I mean, sports fans hear the word a lot in the context of meniscus tear 278 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:39.630 Jessica Sams: Because it's also a ligament. So I was not thinking or not a ligament, but something cartilage or something in the joint something 279 00:29:40.170 --> 00:29:51.150 David J. Peterson: I honestly don't know. Like, it's the type of thing where it's like, I absolutely know the name of it, like we know lots of those things as sports fans because- in fact 280 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.130 David J. Peterson: I bet a sports fan is 281 00:29:53.160 --> 00:30:01.350 David J. Peterson: More likely to be able to tell you how long a player will be out with a meniscus tear than to tell you what the hell it is. Well 282 00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:03.570 Jessica Sams: In okay so let's talk. Okay, let's 283 00:30:03.870 --> 00:30:06.360 Jessica Sams: You never got to your number two, but moving forward. 284 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:14.430 Jessica Sams: We'll come back. This is also another thing that natural languages do that I always 285 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:21.810 Jessica Sams: It's so hard to emulate in a conlang because you're sort of forcing it because you have to be forcing it because you're like actually creating it. 286 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:39.810 Jessica Sams: But like in natural languages. How did we get from little moon to meniscus at the edge of the water to cartilage, whatever it is in the joint and like that journey it goes on, where it's like one word sort of shifting shape and meaning. 287 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:47.460 Jessica Sams: It just blows my mind. Sort of like the other day when I was like wait pith from the fruit. The orange pith. 288 00:30:48.210 --> 00:30:49.530 Jessica Sams: And pithy, to be pithy. 289 00:30:49.860 --> 00:30:58.080 Jessica Sams: It's the same source but like who thought one day, "Oh, if I described you as pithy that means you have a lot of pith, like in the orange?" Like 290 00:30:59.670 --> 00:31:00.540 Jessica Sams: Who did that first 291 00:31:01.230 --> 00:31:01.800 Anyway, 292 00:31:03.060 --> 00:31:04.890 Jessica Sams: Do you not just get lost in words? 293 00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:18.270 David J. Peterson: It's, it's, it is a daunting and not not not humiliating. But I guess what's, what's the word. It's intimidating prospect being a conlanger. 294 00:31:18.810 --> 00:31:23.100 David J. Peterson: Because you look at these older words and where they came from and realize that somebody 295 00:31:23.520 --> 00:31:34.320 David J. Peterson: With a lot-- with access to a lot less knowledge than you did came up with this word for this reason. It's just like, how- how? Like 296 00:31:34.860 --> 00:31:40.740 David J. Peterson: We can come up with a bunch of words for stuff now for the stuff we don't know. Look it up on Wikipedia and come up with them. 297 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:58.140 David J. Peterson: But it's like I can only imagine that just one day you know you know Greekramos comes to his friend Egramos and says, "Hey, my father died," and Egramos is all like, "Hey, can I see that body? I'm going to like cut it up and look at the stuff inside it and then give it names." 298 00:31:59.250 --> 00:32:03.210 David J. Peterson: Oh, that looks like a little moon thing. Let's do it. 299 00:32:03.900 --> 00:32:07.470 David J. Peterson: "You getting this- you getting this, Greekamos?" 300 00:32:07.650 --> 00:32:08.580 David J. Peterson: "Yeah, I'm writing it down." 301 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.210 Jessica Sams: And I know that's exactly how it happened. I'm sure 302 00:32:12.780 --> 00:32:13.260 David J. Peterson: I'm sure 303 00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:15.570 Jessica Sams: But that is- that is one thing. 304 00:32:16.590 --> 00:32:21.210 Jessica Sams: Whenever we start- because obviously like I think somebody had said something about 305 00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:33.510 Jessica Sams: Coming up with a word for heart and you had stopped and said- in our rabbit language, there was that connection- and you had said, "But wait, do they, was there a surgeon. Do they know 306 00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:47.730 Jessica Sams: What's inside?" And that is such a big thing that we take for granted, is, you know, all these words that we have for technical things because we know they exist and then trying to think of, if I had discovered that, what would I have named it 307 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:56.400 Jessica Sams: And it probably would have been something like what you see in a pharmaceutical commercial. I would have been like every one of my favorite letters is going into this word. 308 00:32:57.930 --> 00:33:02.820 Jessica Sams: And it will be pronounced the way I want it to be pronounced because, doggone it, I found it. 309 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:18.990 David J. Peterson: I imagine it would be a little different with animals because it'd be like, you know, they're just hopping along and said like, "Oh dang. Bob's getting eat up. Yeah. Yes. That's a shame. What do you think that is?" 310 00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:22.830 Jessica Sams: You know, and, and that is very true, but then 311 00:33:22.890 --> 00:33:31.050 Jessica Sams: Do they make the connection of seeing carnage potentially gnawing on the carnage if they have some hare blood in them. 312 00:33:32.310 --> 00:33:35.910 Jessica Sams: And do they make that connection then to 313 00:33:37.350 --> 00:33:39.780 Jessica Sams: This may be what this does inside my body. 314 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:49.980 Jessica Sams: You would just name it as an object because you wouldn't know necessarily what it did. And so, yeah, you would look for commonalities between things you already know, but like 315 00:33:51.270 --> 00:33:57.420 Jessica Sams: Then that means we're gonna have to research what the organs look like because what does a rabbit heart look like, I don't know. 316 00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:01.980 David J. Peterson: Probably going to be named based on their level of chewiness. 317 00:34:03.600 --> 00:34:04.860 Jessica Sams: Oh, I do not want to know. 318 00:34:06.510 --> 00:34:08.040 Jessica Sams: Well, I'm gonna be 319 00:34:08.370 --> 00:34:08.580 Jessica Sams: uh 320 00:34:08.640 --> 00:34:10.230 David J. Peterson: Wow, that wolf is really chewing on that thing. 321 00:34:10.650 --> 00:34:12.300 Jessica Sams: I'm going to be very ghosty that day. I don't want to know! 322 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:18.300 Jessica Sams: I'll come back when we're done. 323 00:34:20.070 --> 00:34:21.480 Jessica Sams: With these poor animals. 324 00:34:23.250 --> 00:34:27.270 Jessica Sams: Oh my gosh. Okay, so let's go back. What was number one. 325 00:34:28.110 --> 00:34:40.620 David J. Peterson: Oh, yeah. So number two was. I mean, it was kind of similar to what I- what I- what I brought up, but it is... This is another one of my conlanger worries. So I mean, the one conlanger worry is that I don't have 326 00:34:41.520 --> 00:34:46.770 David J. Peterson: I don't have enough knowledge of what it would be like to explore the world at a time when we had a lot less technology. 327 00:34:47.220 --> 00:34:58.320 David J. Peterson: Right, so I'm not sure if I'm sensibly coining words in a way that would be realistic. But another one is the--this is more of a top level concern--is that 328 00:34:59.970 --> 00:35:06.480 David J. Peterson: You don't recognize the patterns that you fall into as a language creator. I'm often asked if there are, you know, like I 329 00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:17.520 David J. Peterson: Have a signature of the things I often do I'm said like, well, it's not really a question I'm supposed to answer. It's a question that somebody who studies my stuff is supposed to answer. And frankly, I don't want to see what they answer 330 00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:25.890 David J. Peterson: Is because I'll probably be embarrassed, be like, Oh, I did that in every language. Wow. 331 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:38.850 Jessica Sams: And then you'll like, avoid it for every language thereafter. Or- or you defiantly embrace it like I do with my love of what music I do love. Defiantly embrace it and say, that's me. 332 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:50.310 Jessica Sams: That's what you gotta do and say, yes, I do have that sound in every language. I do have a word like that in every language. Why? Because I like it. 333 00:35:52.020 --> 00:36:04.170 David J. Peterson: Or or it's like even better. You just create a little private language on your own, where you do all the things you never do. And it's like, Oh, you're doing that, again, it's like yeah well I just did, you know, the opposite of that. 334 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.020 Jessica Sams: I just did this other thing, obviously you don't know all my work. 335 00:36:07.530 --> 00:36:12.180 David J. Peterson: Yeah, it's, it's the opposite happened all the time in {David does an un-transcribable word here to make it impossible for a good transcript} 336 00:36:13.620 --> 00:36:14.670 David J. Peterson: Just don't know about it. 337 00:36:15.030 --> 00:36:26.220 Jessica Sams: Did you do that word on purpose because you know I'm trying to get a recording with the transcript of this and you're waiting to see what happens with that word? Is- are you are you doing this to me on purpose. 338 00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:32.190 David J. Peterson: I forgot. And we're already spelling breviloquent and everything. Do you think it's got breviloquent loaded up there? 339 00:36:32.970 --> 00:36:34.950 Jessica Sams: It'll be really interesting to see what it does. 340 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.050 Jessica Sams: And how many things I have to fix. 341 00:36:40.410 --> 00:36:41.340 David J. Peterson: And menisci. 342 00:36:41.700 --> 00:36:44.730 David J. Peterson: You said mensisci. What do you think it's going to do with menisci? 343 00:36:45.660 --> 00:36:48.330 Jessica Sams: I think it's going to do men in sky. 344 00:36:49.200 --> 00:36:50.820 Jessica Sams: Alright, three words, it's 345 00:36:50.850 --> 00:36:51.840 David J. Peterson: Pretty much the same thing. 346 00:36:52.530 --> 00:37:12.570 Jessica Sams: Because this is the same transcription software, by the way, that I sent you the picture. It was a sentence that was supposed to say "it does indeed pass" but it came out as "doesn't he pass" and it was very confusing when you're trying to read and understand 347 00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:21.510 David J. Peterson: I mean it's it's honestly it's- it's a- it's a pretty misogynistic algorithm. Let's just admit that, because how- How did it change your name? 348 00:37:22.470 --> 00:37:28.560 Jessica Sams: It changed it to the spelling that you would typically associate with them a male Jesse. J-E-S-S-E. Yes 349 00:37:28.590 --> 00:37:33.900 David J. Peterson: That's right. It looked at it and said somebody who's getting promoted a full professor can't be female. 350 00:37:35.370 --> 00:37:38.160 Jessica Sams: But didn't you used to always spell my name that way, David? 351 00:37:38.700 --> 00:37:40.950 David J. Peterson: Yeah maliciously 352 00:37:44.040 --> 00:37:46.080 Jessica Sams: That was back when we were bitter enemies- 353 00:37:46.140 --> 00:37:46.560 Yeah. 354 00:37:47.850 --> 00:37:50.520 David J. Peterson: When we were bitter enemies and only I knew it 355 00:37:53.910 --> 00:37:55.920 Jessica Sams: Because I was fangirling to hard. 356 00:37:58.410 --> 00:38:06.780 David J. Peterson: I'm so embarrassed. The only way- the only way to live out- to live through the shame of it is to endlessly mock myself about it for the rest of my life. It's fine. 357 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:16.350 Jessica Sams: OK, so now that people listening along may be confused. Do you want to share some of that or let that be a 358 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.630 Jessica Sams: Just know that at one point. 359 00:38:20.190 --> 00:38:21.330 Jessica Sams: There was enemy-ship. 360 00:38:22.380 --> 00:38:22.920 David J. Peterson: But only on one half 361 00:38:23.490 --> 00:38:29.100 David J. Peterson: Yeah, it was- it was wild. I had a hate board. Your pictures were all over it. 362 00:38:31.410 --> 00:38:33.150 Jessica Sams: And like, please tell me there was a dartboard 363 00:38:33.720 --> 00:38:39.090 David J. Peterson: Yeah, and it was just the type of thing where, you know, it's a very normal thing where it's like right before I go to sleep. 364 00:38:39.450 --> 00:38:48.750 David J. Peterson: I stare at your photo and just hate it for five minutes and then I go to sleep and I wake up in the morning I do the same thing, right, when I wake up that I can brush my teeth and I go about my day, you know, 365 00:38:48.810 --> 00:38:50.850 Jessica Sams: I mean that's sometimes that's the best way 366 00:38:52.050 --> 00:38:52.470 Jessica Sams: to start 367 00:38:54.600 --> 00:38:57.660 Jessica Sams: the day. Who needs positivity and mindfulness and meditation, when you 368 00:38:58.830 --> 00:39:00.060 Jessica Sams: When you've got vengeance. 369 00:39:00.690 --> 00:39:04.290 David J. Peterson: The best part of waking up is vengeance in your cup. 370 00:39:05.790 --> 00:39:09.360 Jessica Sams: I was just, it was just singing the Folger song I'm glad that you went that direction. 371 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:21.450 David J. Peterson: Yes, but I'll give- I'll give the short version. Essentially, there was a time when I was tremendously jealous of Jessie 372 00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:37.620 David J. Peterson: Because here she was teaching a conlang class at a university, something that was like my dream and I was just disgusted, especially because there was- there had been a trend. This is a trend of 373 00:39:38.640 --> 00:39:57.570 David J. Peterson: Linguists who'd never conlanged before teaching conlang classes. It turns out, Jessie was not one of those, but I didn't know that at the time. I made some key assumptions there. There may be a photo with us, that shows me expressing some tremendous negative energy 374 00:39:58.500 --> 00:39:59.760 Jessica Sams: I was wondering if you caught that. 375 00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:02.700 David J. Peterson: Yeah. Did you see how I'm leaning away from you. 376 00:40:03.120 --> 00:40:04.920 David J. Peterson: Yes, it's 377 00:40:05.790 --> 00:40:08.940 Jessica Sams: And a fake smile all over your face, like, do I have to stand here. 378 00:40:09.600 --> 00:40:10.500 David J. Peterson: Oh my god. 379 00:40:10.890 --> 00:40:12.570 Jessica Sams: Our first picture together, everyone. 380 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:24.840 David J. Peterson: Of all things, this is, this is kind of a weird coincidence but my grandfather went late in life and got his, his degree in 381 00:40:26.220 --> 00:40:37.470 David J. Peterson: Not clinical psychiatry, but psychology and he's- and he's worked as a psychologist since then. He has a lot of books on psychology and he had a big library and so periodically, I'd want to borrow some of his books. 382 00:40:37.830 --> 00:40:54.060 David J. Peterson: And one of the books I borrowed was a part of a series, which, for whatever reason, they were like introductory psychology topics that had like almost cartoonish covers. So it's like almost like they were being marketed to kids, but they were not kids books, they were 383 00:40:54.090 --> 00:40:59.100 David J. Peterson: Right, very anyway. One of these books was about the psychology of photographs 384 00:40:59.730 --> 00:41:12.750 David J. Peterson: Oh and and I read it and I learned a lot about how to analyze photographs and the dynamics between people based on their expression and their stance and how far or how close they're standing to one another. 385 00:41:13.110 --> 00:41:14.130 David J. Peterson: Right, so like 386 00:41:14.220 --> 00:41:25.560 David J. Peterson: I've just kind of carried that knowledge, along with me for years. Like I read that as a teenager. And so it's like you showed me that photo. Our first photo together. I'm looking at it, and I'm like, oh god, that is so humiliating. 387 00:41:26.430 --> 00:41:33.630 David J. Peterson: But I was like, but surely, nobody else will notice, who else has read this book, who knows about the psychology of photographs 388 00:41:33.690 --> 00:41:36.120 Jessica Sams: Well, now a lot of people do, because 389 00:41:36.180 --> 00:41:37.830 Jessica Sams: You know, all of our patrons. 390 00:41:38.730 --> 00:41:40.680 Jessica Sams: Our growing base now knows. 391 00:41:41.670 --> 00:41:44.460 Jessica Sams: And I think I'm gonna have to share that photo. 392 00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:46.590 Jessica Sams: As one of the resources. 393 00:41:46.650 --> 00:41:50.640 David J. Peterson: You're right, it's gonna have to go up with this podcast. 394 00:41:50.700 --> 00:41:51.720 Jessica Sams: Just say 395 00:41:53.640 --> 00:41:54.870 Jessica Sams: This is the epic photo. 396 00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:58.290 Jessica Sams: Oh, more recent photos were much more positive. 397 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:04.620 David J. Peterson: Yeah yeah like actually we should put up that other one that one that I showed you for- 398 00:42:05.220 --> 00:42:06.750 David J. Peterson: So you could see the change 399 00:42:09.510 --> 00:42:10.980 Jessica Sams: It's amazing what friendship does. 400 00:42:12.330 --> 00:42:12.900 David J. Peterson: Yeah. 401 00:42:13.710 --> 00:42:28.890 Jessica Sams: Oh that is great and when, when you all do see the photo, you're going to see me with a bunch of people-- bunch. There's four other people with the same shirt on. And those were my students from-- well, some of my students from the conlang class that David was mentioning 402 00:42:29.910 --> 00:42:37.560 Jessica Sams: From one particular semester that would have been the- the 2013 semester. Whenever I first met David at the Language Creation Conference. 403 00:42:38.040 --> 00:42:41.970 Jessica Sams: And so my, I had a handful of students who are able to go to Austin. 404 00:42:42.510 --> 00:42:54.090 Jessica Sams: So it was like a five, five and a half hour drive for us. So I had a handful of students who were able to go and we had a class t shirt. And so we all decided that day, like we would show up in our class t shirt and it was very exciting. 405 00:42:54.630 --> 00:43:00.660 Jessica Sams: And David was super stoked to meet me and it's like on his bucket list what I need to do. 406 00:43:01.530 --> 00:43:02.580 David J. Peterson: Oh, man. 407 00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:05.940 Jessica Sams: Oh, 408 00:43:06.030 --> 00:43:07.320 David J. Peterson: Good. Did you drive all that way. 409 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:08.760 Jessica Sams: Yeah yeah 410 00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:15.420 David J. Peterson: I guess that kind of makes sense because it's like, do you want to drive five hours to a place or two hours to an airport 411 00:43:15.870 --> 00:43:18.150 Jessica Sams: And then wait for two hours to get on your plane. 412 00:43:18.690 --> 00:43:22.170 Jessica Sams: Yeah, yeah, we still take the plane but yeah 413 00:43:23.130 --> 00:43:27.960 Jessica Sams: But, but not only that but it costs more, you just drive 414 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:35.430 David J. Peterson: Yeah, I guess. Did you did you come with with all of your students? Were you all in the same car? Did you caravan? 415 00:43:35.490 --> 00:43:47.070 Jessica Sams: No. So they actually all came sort of separately. Some of them went together, but a lot of them have friends in the Austin area. So they wanted to go stay with their friends and actually extend all weekend and you know like 416 00:43:47.640 --> 00:44:01.290 Jessica Sams: Yeah into an event. One of my students needed a ride to Austin. So I had driven him up to Austin. But then he hooked up with the other students. And you know went their direction. 417 00:44:02.670 --> 00:44:06.600 Jessica Sams: So yeah, it was we were all sort of migrating west. 418 00:44:10.740 --> 00:44:20.010 David J. Peterson: Really quickly, you know what I would have done, I would have had my cool, awesome pilot husband fly me from Nacogdoches to Austin. 419 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:26.160 Jessica Sams: Okay, so that does. I know it sounds cool people listening. 420 00:44:26.190 --> 00:44:36.900 Jessica Sams: But it actually costs more money to fly than you may think. Because you have to. We don't own a plane. So like you got to pay the hourly rate on a plane which is not cheap. 421 00:44:37.410 --> 00:44:43.590 Jessica Sams: And then you gotta tie down and you've got to pay to tie down at an airport. Then I also have to get their rental car. 422 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.340 Jessica Sams: To be able to leave the airport because once I'm there I don't have a car. 423 00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.130 David J. Peterson: And we did then- Uber didn't exist at that time. 424 00:44:50.250 --> 00:45:05.160 Jessica Sams: Right. And so, you know, like it's-it sounds, "Oh, why don't you just fly?" But unless you actually own the plane and have people at the other end, it's not always easier. And so, yeah, no, I just drove 425 00:45:05.610 --> 00:45:07.050 David J. Peterson: I never said it would be easy. 426 00:45:07.560 --> 00:45:08.850 David J. Peterson: I only said it would be worth it. 427 00:45:09.570 --> 00:45:11.490 Jessica Sams: I okay so I actually 428 00:45:12.600 --> 00:45:23.310 Jessica Sams: I can't, I maybe it's just I need to be in them more. I get plane sick. I don't get carsick. I get little plane sick- like big planes don't bother me, but little planes with the motions in the air.... I 429 00:45:24.870 --> 00:45:30.240 Jessica Sams: I cannot be in one for more than I think the longest I've made it as a little over an hour. 430 00:45:31.890 --> 00:45:32.250 Jessica Sams: And 431 00:45:32.670 --> 00:45:34.650 Jessica Sams: I was like, I'm ready to be on the ground again. 432 00:45:35.190 --> 00:45:40.770 David J. Peterson: 100% opposite for me. I hate, I hate being in a car. I hate, hate being in a car. 433 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.840 Jessica Sams: Well then, I'm glad. Every time you visit I get to take you on a two and a half hour drive to the airport 434 00:45:47.550 --> 00:45:56.490 David J. Peterson: Well, that's the thing, though. I mean, being being in the car with somebody else, especially somebody you like to be in the car with that makes it- that makes it all the 435 00:45:56.640 --> 00:45:58.620 David J. Peterson: better. Yeah, yeah. 436 00:45:59.640 --> 00:46:00.120 Jessica Sams: Oh, 437 00:46:01.140 --> 00:46:04.770 Jessica Sams: Let's. Okay, so we've just devolved into story hour 438 00:46:05.100 --> 00:46:06.960 Jessica Sams: Let's tell a little story. 439 00:46:07.560 --> 00:46:11.760 Jessica Sams: About what happens when you drive to the airport in East Texas. 440 00:46:12.810 --> 00:46:18.090 Jessica Sams: Middle of nowhere and a logging truck has overturned on the interstate shutting down 441 00:46:18.090 --> 00:46:18.720 Jessica Sams: The entire 442 00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:20.880 Jessica Sams: Interstate for both directions. Let's 443 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:21.480 Talk. 444 00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:26.430 Jessica Sams: About the two and a half hour trip that turned into 445 00:46:27.120 --> 00:46:30.390 Jessica Sams: Well it took me almost four hours to get you there, which meant you also 446 00:46:30.450 --> 00:46:37.440 Jessica Sams: missed your flight because it took so long to get there. That our two hour window for the flight was gone 447 00:46:39.090 --> 00:46:45.390 Jessica Sams: And so you ended up- because you were leaving from Houston to go to another school in Texas. 448 00:46:45.720 --> 00:46:49.890 Jessica Sams: Yeah, and I think you ended up having to drive that whole way this 449 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:54.690 Jessica Sams: Or take a taxi or something, which meant you were in the car all freaking day 450 00:46:55.290 --> 00:47:04.590 David J. Peterson: Oh, yeah. So this is, this is what I did. And I'm still so mad about this. So I actually did arrive at the airport before my flight was going to take off. 451 00:47:05.010 --> 00:47:10.680 David J. Peterson: And this was a small flight. Right. So this is a flight from Houston to Victoria, Texas. 452 00:47:11.190 --> 00:47:16.050 David J. Peterson: Which it's like I can honestly understand if there are people in Texas who've never heard of Victoria, Texas. 453 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:26.760 David J. Peterson: It's it's a small small place. So it was a small airplane and there was only like two flights, you know, you know, twice a day. That was it. Commuter flights. 454 00:47:27.540 --> 00:47:35.070 David J. Peterson: Anyway, I get there and you know I'm running my ass off. And it's 15 minutes before the flight leaves and it's like I'm here. 455 00:47:35.730 --> 00:47:43.350 David J. Peterson: And then they're like, oh no, we've already closed the door. Like, I can literally look out the window and see the plane-- it's sitting there. 456 00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:51.090 David J. Peterson: They actually ended up leaving five minutes late, but I'm like, Please, I'm right here. Can I just get on the plane like there's no other plane. And they're like, Oh, I'm sorry. 457 00:47:51.510 --> 00:48:00.690 David J. Peterson: And then at one point in time, the guy just walks away like as I'm talking to him like he's just done with me. So he just walks away walks to the back, and I was it 458 00:48:01.110 --> 00:48:02.250 David J. Peterson: There was nobody else there. 459 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:12.480 David J. Peterson: There was nobody at the counter. So I'm like, what the hell am I going to do? So it's like I got on the phone with somebody over in Victoria, explained the situation to them. And I explained to them the logging truck. Good lord. 460 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:30.690 David J. Peterson: And of all things like because you know it was it was a bit of a drive. There were like, you know, I was like, it's going to be very expensive to take a taxi, the whole way. And so somebody there out of the kindness of her heart said, Okay, this is what we'll do. 461 00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:49.440 David J. Peterson: There is this spot that is halfway between. I'll drive there right now. You take a taxi there right now and then we'll, we'll switch and split the difference. So I showed up late and there was a big house party like the dean's house or something like most of the food had been eaten. 462 00:48:51.090 --> 00:48:52.140 David J. Peterson: Because I was like, 463 00:48:53.010 --> 00:48:55.500 David J. Peterson: I think I was like two and a half, three hours late. 464 00:48:55.680 --> 00:48:57.060 David J. Peterson: Many people had left 465 00:48:58.830 --> 00:49:06.660 David J. Peterson: No, you know, I gave my talk. The next day, and everything. I was actually very interesting because I think I told you that they had a horseshoe museum there. 466 00:49:07.050 --> 00:49:08.460 Jessica Sams: Yes, you did 467 00:49:08.970 --> 00:49:12.240 David J. Peterson: Sorry not horseshoe, not horseshoe. Branding. Branding iron 468 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:13.290 David J. Peterson: Branding iron. Right. 469 00:49:14.100 --> 00:49:23.400 David J. Peterson: In addition to the crazy story about the, the Spanish ship that was sunk there. And the people that want to Canada anyway, but yeah man that 470 00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:31.650 David J. Peterson: That sucked. Because it was- it was going to be so perfect, because there's going to be like, I'm already going to be in Texas. Anyway, I can just do this really quick and really easy. 471 00:49:32.190 --> 00:49:42.330 David J. Peterson: And then this, this guy in this logging truck and I'm pretty sure this is actually what happened. He just says to the guy on the radio says, "Hey, hey. Bet you can't tip over your logs." 472 00:49:42.870 --> 00:49:43.950 David J. Peterson: "And I'll show you." 473 00:49:45.180 --> 00:49:45.840 Jessica Sams: Show you. 474 00:49:47.040 --> 00:49:58.500 Jessica Sams: How to tip these over. Yeah. So, and I don't even know if I told you about my return trip from dropping you off because there's really, there's no other way to really get to the airport, except on that interstate. 475 00:49:59.370 --> 00:50:09.570 Jessica Sams: And so even all the little back roads dump back out on the interstate. So there's really not a good way to avoid it. So I was stuck again in a line on the way back. 476 00:50:10.710 --> 00:50:18.930 Jessica Sams: While we're in a line not moving. Mind you, or if we do move. It's like five miles an hour for 20 feet and then you stop. 477 00:50:20.580 --> 00:50:22.470 Jessica Sams: The person behind me freakin rear ended me 478 00:50:26.220 --> 00:50:26.910 David J. Peterson: What 479 00:50:27.180 --> 00:50:27.480 Yeah. 480 00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:30.270 Jessica Sams: Yeah. 481 00:50:31.020 --> 00:50:33.990 Jessica Sams: I'm like, we're in a stopped line of traffic. 482 00:50:35.010 --> 00:50:36.540 Jessica Sams: And you just slam on your gas. 483 00:50:39.570 --> 00:50:40.260 Jessica Sams: So, 484 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.020 Jessica Sams: Yeah, so I had to get my car fixed after that because I mean 485 00:50:43.410 --> 00:50:44.820 Jessica Sams: Like rear ended me 486 00:50:45.510 --> 00:50:51.750 Jessica Sams: It was in of course like nobody can make it to the accident site so thankfully they were honest people and showed me their 487 00:50:52.110 --> 00:50:56.190 Jessica Sams: Insurance information and when insurance called, they were like, yeah, that happened. 488 00:50:57.390 --> 00:51:05.220 Jessica Sams: And so it was all okay but it was the longest day because that normally it would be a five hour round trip. 489 00:51:06.270 --> 00:51:08.610 Jessica Sams: And I was in the car for over 10 hours that day. 490 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:17.730 Jessica Sams: It's just like this is I'm so done. But it did mean that the next time I drove you to the airport, I think we left like eight hours early because 491 00:51:20.250 --> 00:51:22.260 Jessica Sams: So if we get stuck on the interstate. 492 00:51:23.490 --> 00:51:33.870 David J. Peterson: So for another conlang Truman State connection. I had a kind of little accident that involved Doug Ball. I still feel really bad about this, but 493 00:51:35.220 --> 00:51:47.490 David J. Peterson: The previous time that I had driven somebody to the airport, it was Erin and she was going up to visit her family and I get on- and I started driving on our freeway and I realize after about 494 00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:55.470 David J. Peterson: 20 minutes- because we were leaving late that I had gotten on the 405 North to go to LAX, but her flight left from Orange County which 495 00:51:55.770 --> 00:51:57.720 David J. Peterson: required me to take the 405 South 496 00:51:58.500 --> 00:51:59.040 Jessica Sams: Oh no 497 00:51:59.850 --> 00:52:02.550 David J. Peterson: Already late, I drove 20 minutes in the wrong direction. 498 00:52:03.210 --> 00:52:11.940 David J. Peterson: And so it's like I get off and you know I hurry back the other way. But, indeed. She missed her flight and she was stuck at the airport for like an hour and a half before she can take the next one so 499 00:52:12.660 --> 00:52:23.460 David J. Peterson: Fast forward to the LSA that was an Anaheim. Doug Ball was staying with us because he was, he was at the LSA. And it just so happened that that was NFL playoff weekend. 500 00:52:24.690 --> 00:52:30.390 David J. Peterson: And so it was like, cool. We'll get to watch some games and we were watching a game between the Seahawks and the Cowboys. 501 00:52:31.650 --> 00:52:41.430 David J. Peterson: And it's about like Doug's leaving from Orange County. So this is an airport. That's like 20 minutes from my house. Maybe usually like 15 minutes 502 00:52:42.450 --> 00:52:49.770 David J. Peterson: And it's about three and a half hours until its flight takes off and we're in the middle of the game and I say, "Hey, Doug, you know what? We should really leave." 503 00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:57.780 David J. Peterson: And he's like, "Why?" I was like, "I just want to make sure you get there own time. The last time I took someone to the airport it was Erin and she missed her 504 00:52:58.230 --> 00:53:06.660 David J. Peterson: flight. It was a disaster." And like all right so he kind of like begrudgingly left. Even though we're in the middle of watching this game we listened to the rest of it. 505 00:53:07.710 --> 00:53:14.790 David J. Peterson: As we were driving there. And it just so happened. It was a rather famous or at least infamous game because 506 00:53:16.080 --> 00:53:24.360 David J. Peterson: For whatever reason, I guess the holder for the Cowboys was out. And so, Tony Romo their quarterback was the holder. 507 00:53:24.930 --> 00:53:33.600 David J. Peterson: And they just had to kick a very a chippy field goal to either tie it or win it in the last second, and Tony Romo was the holder. 508 00:53:34.080 --> 00:53:39.060 David J. Peterson: And the long snapper gives it back to him and Tony Romo fumbles the hold 509 00:53:39.600 --> 00:53:57.150 David J. Peterson: The kick doesn't go off. The Cowboys lose--an absolute shocker. And we had a listen to it on the radio, as we were pulling into the airport. Anyway, turned out I got there so early and that Doug felt-- or the people there felt so sorry for Doug, that they let them take it earlier flight. 510 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:08.100 Jessica Sams: Airport. Always. Always fun when you have to go to the airport. 511 00:54:09.570 --> 00:54:10.050 Jessica Sams: So, 512 00:54:10.950 --> 00:54:14.490 Jessica Sams: I think, I think we've been inspired today. 513 00:54:18.030 --> 00:54:19.800 Jessica Sams: Like I said, I had a whole plan. 514 00:54:19.830 --> 00:54:30.570 Jessica Sams: But plans, you know, go awry and for people still listening, thank you for listening, even through any of the potential hiccups, because I know it's paused, even a couple more times. But I just let it happen. 515 00:54:31.050 --> 00:54:46.650 Jessica Sams: That's technology and that's life. And so thank you for making it to the end. We will wrap up here and join you again in a month to talk about, you know, the rest of what I had written down and it will be 516 00:54:46.680 --> 00:54:47.250 Jessica Sams: Yeah. 517 00:54:47.700 --> 00:54:48.360 David J. Peterson: I can't wait. 518 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:49.200 I can't wait. 519 00:54:50.340 --> 00:54:55.380 Jessica Sams: Out of the-- I'm guessing out of the five questions I have written down our next one will get through half of one 520 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:11.970 Jessica Sams: Not even a whole one. I love when I go in over prepared and end up going, "Wait." Oh fun side story. Okay, sorry, this is one more devolving side story. 521 00:55:13.530 --> 00:55:19.950 Jessica Sams: So, but it has to do with being prepared and a level of being prepared. So my very first time ever teaching 522 00:55:20.730 --> 00:55:35.550 Jessica Sams: It was the fall of 2005 and I was a grad student at Boulder and I was supposed to be a teaching assistant that fall for like one of the big classes. And so I was just going to be in charge of the recitations right so 523 00:55:35.610 --> 00:55:36.330 David J. Peterson: Only those 524 00:55:36.390 --> 00:55:41.970 Jessica Sams: Little meetings, someone else was teaching the class. Two weeks before the semester begins, 525 00:55:42.810 --> 00:55:53.670 Jessica Sams: This person who was scheduled- another grad student was scheduled to teach their English grammar class and like at the last minute had a different job offer. And so they were like, Well, I'm going to take this because it pays more money and it totally made sense. 526 00:55:53.970 --> 00:55:56.970 Jessica Sams: But that meant they needed someone to cover this class. And so they asked me to 527 00:55:56.970 --> 00:55:57.570 David J. Peterson: Do and 528 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.060 Jessica Sams: I had never taught a class before. Never 529 00:56:00.090 --> 00:56:08.760 Jessica Sams: Wow, like never been in charge of a class- you know, I'd given presentations before. I had done, things like that. But I had never been in charge of a class. 530 00:56:09.210 --> 00:56:21.300 Jessica Sams: So I had a lot of support, you know, like I had colleagues give me syllabi and materials. The books were already chosen so like I had all of those elements in place. Except, here's the thing. Like going in day one. 531 00:56:22.380 --> 00:56:26.910 Jessica Sams: You like you need more information than you may think to teach a 50-minute class. 532 00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:37.470 Jessica Sams: So I had typed up my notes. I had like everything I wanted to say. I have pages and pages of notes and I'm thinking, Okay, I've got everything planned out. I've got my lecture. 533 00:56:37.950 --> 00:56:53.130 Jessica Sams: I get in. I'm going through, got all my information, going through page after page giving examples. Nobody stopping me so I keep going and then I stop. I get to the end of my notes. I look up at the clock. We're 12 minutes into class and I have nothing more to say. 534 00:56:56.640 --> 00:56:57.090 Jessica Sams: So, 535 00:56:57.660 --> 00:57:07.230 Jessica Sams: I literally just look around. "Does anyone have any questions?" No one raises their hand. So I said, "Well, then I'll see you next time." 536 00:57:09.180 --> 00:57:11.430 Jessica Sams: Because I had no idea what to do. 537 00:57:13.080 --> 00:57:14.460 Jessica Sams: For 38 minutes 538 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:33.210 Jessica Sams: It was great. I figured it out after a while, and I figured out how to appropriately plan out my time and now I usually go way long and I don't realize we're past the time. But yeah, that was my first day just 539 00:57:34.290 --> 00:57:39.390 Jessica Sams: That that kind of blew me away. I was not expecting to have a problem with time management in that way. 540 00:57:42.450 --> 00:57:46.260 Jessica Sams: The little things you don't think about if you've never taught before 541 00:57:48.600 --> 00:57:53.460 Jessica Sams: And with that, with that we do need to bid adieu and go on. 542 00:57:54.870 --> 00:57:56.190 Jessica Sams: And so, any final notes. 543 00:57:58.620 --> 00:58:01.230 David J. Peterson: I need to start thinking of final notes in advance. 544 00:58:01.530 --> 00:58:04.590 Jessica Sams: Anything pithy to offer in a breviloquent 545 00:58:05.790 --> 00:58:06.270 Jessica Sams: Manner. 546 00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:17.670 David J. Peterson: Honestly though i i guess the only thing I could say is, get ready for episode four, when we do episode three for real. 547 00:58:22.650 --> 00:58:23.220 Jessica Sams: Yes. 548 00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:33.600 Jessica Sams: It'll be like 3A, 3B, 3C by the time we get to 3W will just give up and say, yeah, I think that was, that was a wrap. 549 00:58:34.140 --> 00:58:35.790 David J. Peterson: A thousand and one podcasts. 550 00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:37.620 Jessica Sams: Yes, but 551 00:58:37.650 --> 00:58:44.250 Jessica Sams: Thank you all for being here and being wonderful patrons and we will see you soon on our live stream. 552 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:46.350 Jessica Sams: Bye!