WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:03.929 Jessie Sams: Welcome to link time chat. 2 00:00:04.950 --> 00:00:07.830 Jessie Sams: and David doing things. 3 00:00:09.030 --> 00:00:17.880 Jessie Sams: Like waving his hands around for all who cannot see him I was doing that for their benefit, and when I say their benefit, I mean the listeners. 4 00:00:18.750 --> 00:00:27.090 Jessie Sams: Obviously, because I think they could probably hear the disturbance of air as you were waving your hands, they could you want to know something amazing that I just learned about. 5 00:00:27.540 --> 00:00:39.570 Jessie Sams: There is a camera that is so sensitive that it can capture the vibrations in an in like you know, a video so that it can actually reproduce the sound. 6 00:00:40.950 --> 00:00:54.660 Jessie Sams: That would be horrible for our current sound environment, I feel like because one okay we've got instruments hanging behind us, so if you've never seen the video she may not realize this, you can hear them oh. 7 00:00:55.710 --> 00:01:09.720 Jessie Sams: Erica go, so they would actually show it so imagine, though, if that got magnified through this this sort of camera also I have found that we are close enough to the pool in our complex that. 8 00:01:10.260 --> 00:01:23.640 Jessie Sams: You can hear kids screaming in the background yeah or adults, I don't know who's doing the screaming there's a lot of screaming sounds like kids, but if you could imagine, like all those disturbances being magnified I feel like. 9 00:01:25.050 --> 00:01:34.980 Jessie Sams: It would be very distracting yeah, can you imagine though a photograph of a trumpet player from like years past and they can produce the sound he's making. 10 00:01:35.490 --> 00:01:48.150 Jessie Sams: That would just be crazy that would be bizarre anyway welcome today's topic was actually one that was inspired by our work outside of link time. 11 00:01:48.750 --> 00:01:56.640 Jessie Sams: Because we had a line for something that we were translating and the verb in English, was to have. 12 00:01:57.360 --> 00:02:02.100 Jessie Sams: But it didn't make any sense for the language we were working with to use that same verb. 13 00:02:02.580 --> 00:02:12.480 Jessie Sams: It also didn't make sense and the overall structure of the sentence, you know, like when you start semantically breaking it down thinking well why in the world is English even us have in this particular way. 14 00:02:12.870 --> 00:02:28.140 Jessie Sams: And so we decided to focus today on sort of a deep dive into translation strategies for specifically for a semantically bleached verb in your own language. 15 00:02:28.500 --> 00:02:43.200 Jessie Sams: And so we're going to look at to have today and we each had an assignment had an assignment and speaking of to have yeah and where we were supposed to come up with a list of ways that we use have an English. 16 00:02:44.250 --> 00:02:49.350 Jessie Sams: That probably wouldn't necessarily be translated the same way. 17 00:02:50.940 --> 00:03:06.960 Jessie Sams: and other languages, your, and so I don't know if you did didn't bring anything have related to the table, other than my copy of the world let's kind of grammatical ization she notes the superior when I brought my cellular telephone. 18 00:03:08.190 --> 00:03:21.150 Jessie Sams: Do you to know that on phone now you learn telephone on phones they have this kind of digital paper imagine imagine a note that you write just on a notepad, but it could be on your telephone. 19 00:03:22.260 --> 00:03:36.390 Jessie Sams: That is just too bizarre for me to consider it's like this camera with vibrations that you're trying to talk about yeah i'm so also used to have like twice in that sentence and so that was fun oh how by indeed. 20 00:03:37.410 --> 00:03:50.190 Jessie Sams: So actually and I don't even think we're going to touch on using have for grammatical purposes, like supporting as an auxiliary for it wasn't the intent, but I can actually explain how we got it. 21 00:03:51.330 --> 00:04:02.040 Jessie Sams: Oh go for it but but we'll get there, one thing that reason, I wanted to bring this down as the world lexicon of grammatical ization is that there's an entire section on this. 22 00:04:03.210 --> 00:04:07.410 Jessie Sams: Because it's called I believe he possession. 23 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:12.450 Jessie Sams: And this is alpha ties right. 24 00:04:13.830 --> 00:04:24.300 Jessie Sams: From the top for the yeah see source have C H possession, yes, and do you think that a hyphen comes before everything. 25 00:04:25.350 --> 00:04:42.240 Jessie Sams: Every tentatively it doesn't wait it's very well, it became a possessive right, I mean it's showing all the sources to target so yeah look up the upended you're right, I need to look up maybe you need to reread that tutorial I created on patreon for how to use the world but. 26 00:04:43.470 --> 00:04:49.800 Jessie Sams: Maybe have a little write up you know for each possession in general that's what I wanted. 27 00:04:53.460 --> 00:05:05.040 Jessie Sams: He is now looking in the index, I believe that it's all under possessive, though, and then I think it breaks it down into it's a something and then age. 28 00:05:06.390 --> 00:05:12.390 Jessie Sams: I think yeah okay be possessive and H possessive Erica and a possessive. 29 00:05:15.990 --> 00:05:21.480 Jessie Sams: don't know what to be possessive is well today is something we can talk about on. 30 00:05:22.830 --> 00:05:26.760 Jessie Sams: Other days unless know you're going to go there and I am going to go they're going to go back. 31 00:05:28.350 --> 00:05:28.440 Jessie Sams: To. 32 00:05:29.520 --> 00:05:42.150 Jessie Sams: What I just want, I just want to look real quick it's always super fun on podcasts when the people doing the podcast take a break, to read a book oh belong to belong possessive. 33 00:05:43.980 --> 00:05:50.250 Jessie Sams: Okay, so let's get back to age possessive is this where we got our grammatical ization of to have. 34 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.020 Jessie Sams: So this is actually how we got the the the. 35 00:05:56.130 --> 00:05:58.260 Jessie Sams: The the one for to have so. 36 00:05:59.310 --> 00:06:10.170 Jessie Sams: All right, I want you to imagine for a moment, go back in time and imagine this okay new we're a language, English, that has only really two verb forms. 37 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:32.010 Jessie Sams: Past in a non past and so like I bind to a book I bound a book all right now, imagine that we already have this verb have which we did the H possession have so you could say, I have a book, I had a book, just like you could in Latin. 38 00:06:33.150 --> 00:06:46.440 Jessie Sams: And then imagine this language also has participants, and so you could say I bound a book, but you could also say that there is a bound book a bound book is on the table. 39 00:06:47.640 --> 00:06:48.090 Jessie Sams: All right. 40 00:06:49.110 --> 00:06:54.240 Jessie Sams: Now you can combine these and say that you have a bound book all right. 41 00:06:56.070 --> 00:07:01.080 Jessie Sams: Now, though, there is another way thing that you could do here. 42 00:07:02.310 --> 00:07:04.950 Jessie Sams: I have a book. 43 00:07:06.270 --> 00:07:16.020 Jessie Sams: In a State, so, in other words it's kind of like I paint the wall red right, you can have a red wall, but you can also paint a wall red. 44 00:07:17.310 --> 00:07:33.180 Jessie Sams: And so you can bind a book, but you can also have a book bound alright so suddenly you have this expression, I have a book bound and there was a reinterpretation. 45 00:07:34.110 --> 00:07:46.530 Jessie Sams: As a side now i'm very suddenly now realizing why Chairman verbs are at the end when the parts that are not participle but the auxiliary in its place so. 46 00:07:47.100 --> 00:07:56.460 Jessie Sams: That is exactly how that happened and exactly how that analyzed as the the quote main verb of the sentence yeah and then an English. 47 00:07:56.820 --> 00:08:06.090 Jessie Sams: They were like that's so weird that we have this verb here, and this verb at the end, why don't we just put the verbs together and suddenly you get I have found a book. 48 00:08:07.980 --> 00:08:17.130 Jessie Sams: meeting was there ever a stage in English and really I should know this more than you but i'm asking anyway, if there is a stage where the same thing happened with the. 49 00:08:17.760 --> 00:08:28.260 Jessie Sams: Present participle kind of version, where it was like I am a book writing I have absolutely no idea, and so I don't either. 50 00:08:29.370 --> 00:08:41.970 Jessie Sams: And I don't think so, I think that actually came from a completely different set of circumstances, but that is an interesting little i've actually been very curious about that present participle because I wonder how far back you're supposed to go. 51 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.690 Jessie Sams: Where that wasn't just the normal way to do the present tense. 52 00:08:46.740 --> 00:09:05.070 Jessie Sams: Because it's like if he started thinking about is like in the 1800s like not know pretty much they they did use B plus axing for the present tense in the 1800s and it's like well how far back, do you have to go before it is the usual way to say what do you I eat. 53 00:09:08.820 --> 00:09:09.990 Jessie Sams: I used to know this. 54 00:09:11.670 --> 00:09:20.610 Jessie Sams: But I honestly can't be on knowing that in middle English is when it became more more codified, and so it became a more set way of doing it. 55 00:09:22.260 --> 00:09:26.880 Jessie Sams: But there was definitely early middle English you still saw the. 56 00:09:27.930 --> 00:09:29.490 Jessie Sams: I eat know. 57 00:09:30.870 --> 00:09:35.370 Jessie Sams: Some Q something or he something you know, like you still see those kinds of patterns. 58 00:09:36.540 --> 00:09:47.220 Jessie Sams: But it was that transition, which is why, like there's there's a lot of theories about why it came about and, like some people have even said it was partially from the old English. 59 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:58.530 Jessie Sams: The Anglo Saxon interaction with the Celtic language speakers, because there is a similar construction and Celtic languages that that they thought might have affected. 60 00:09:58.950 --> 00:10:07.350 Jessie Sams: But that's also just a theory there's no clear reason but definitely old English you're going to see that just straight up present tense be be used. 61 00:10:08.130 --> 00:10:14.040 Jessie Sams: it's really as it gets into middle English stages, where you start to see it become a set pattern across. 62 00:10:14.490 --> 00:10:26.550 Jessie Sams: Not just certain dialects but eventually across all dialects of English so somewhere between chaucer and Shakespeare basically yeah and I need to look at chaucer again to see if chaucer even. 63 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:30.300 Jessie Sams: uses that simple present tense as much as we. 64 00:10:31.410 --> 00:10:33.750 Jessie Sams: may have died, I honestly haven't one. 65 00:10:35.340 --> 00:10:40.920 Jessie Sams: shoulder sota the draft on march 8 person to the role turns on exactly. 66 00:10:41.970 --> 00:10:49.470 Jessie Sams: But i'm going to say because yeah yeah the the Th, which was the the present tense without having the to be blinking so. 67 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:57.870 Jessie Sams: So yeah between chaucer Shakespeare would be a good time dream if you're interested in that particular phenomenon cool, but that has nothing to do with to have. 68 00:10:58.290 --> 00:11:09.750 Jessie Sams: The initial one did and that's super interesting because that made a light bulb moment go off for me with German, I never questioned why it happened, I didn't question why all the English had similar structures as well. 69 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:20.610 Jessie Sams: And that is super fascinating alright so let's talk about to have those so some of the first examples that came to mind were really obvious ones right. 70 00:11:21.300 --> 00:11:26.910 Jessie Sams: The ones where it's like well it's obviously an idiom that have is used as the verb for and so. 71 00:11:27.690 --> 00:11:39.780 Jessie Sams: It feels more in your face that you would have to do something different, with it, when you translate so some of the more in your face examples that I came up with Okay, excuse me while I move that window over. 72 00:11:41.580 --> 00:11:53.460 Jessie Sams: So I have like a summer more obvious list like to have a cow right don't have a cow man Oh, I see let's start with the second one, to have a fit. 73 00:11:54.630 --> 00:12:03.270 Jessie Sams: Yes, something I never do because you never do when you know you're translating things you never have a fan. 74 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:14.490 Jessie Sams: I think that this this to have a fit it's kind of like it was one of the starting points for a broad metaphorical extension that. 75 00:12:15.420 --> 00:12:26.220 Jessie Sams: That works for a ton of stuff so it covers a ton of stuff So if you start with to have a book right where it's a very literal thing that you can actually see. 76 00:12:27.630 --> 00:12:37.140 Jessie Sams: And then you talk about well okay your third one actually has a different meaning but I mean literally to have like an organ inside of you to have a stomach to have a liver. 77 00:12:37.650 --> 00:12:42.660 Jessie Sams: To have a brain right that's a different type of thing because you can't see it, but you know there's possession there. 78 00:12:43.770 --> 00:12:51.960 Jessie Sams: When it comes to medical conditions, though it's it's kind of a Gray area, so we have to have a fit in the oldest sense, you know. 79 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:57.090 Jessie Sams: Now it means to get mad but older, to have a fit meant something like a sickness. 80 00:12:58.050 --> 00:13:06.240 Jessie Sams: And then you could also have like a coughing fit, yes, and then you can have a headache a heart attack and things like that. 81 00:13:06.630 --> 00:13:17.010 Jessie Sams: And so that was, I think one of the first extensions right some sort of a medical episode it's something that's happening to you, but it's in your body. 82 00:13:17.460 --> 00:13:31.620 Jessie Sams: And so you can't see it you can't see it, but you can kind of have it the same way that you have the organs that are inside of your body right, and so, if you'll accept that, then it wasn't too far to go to say something like to have a headache. 83 00:13:32.760 --> 00:13:36.660 Jessie Sams: To have the vapors to have a fit to have a heart attack. 84 00:13:37.920 --> 00:13:45.570 Jessie Sams: So I think that was one of the first branch offs and so suddenly it was like now, you can have these things that are very real that you can see, but. 85 00:13:45.870 --> 00:13:58.650 Jessie Sams: That you can see the effects that but you can't see the actual things so off the top of my head thinking about these kind of medical extensions and we can we can get to you mentioned the third one on my list we'll get to that in a minute. 86 00:13:59.940 --> 00:14:07.590 Jessie Sams: But other ways I can think about semantically talking about, that is, you don't have a heart attack you experience, one where you. 87 00:14:07.770 --> 00:14:18.630 Jessie Sams: walk through one or you sit in a heart attack or you like these are all different verbs I could imagine being metaphorically extended in the same kind of situation. 88 00:14:18.870 --> 00:14:28.110 Jessie Sams: Without actually using to have and, in fact, if you want to look at a language, where you don't use have for this, the most common thing is to have a very. 89 00:14:29.340 --> 00:14:35.850 Jessie Sams: Basic verb that means to suffer, and I think one of the reasons that we shy away from that in English is that. 90 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:45.750 Jessie Sams: Since we had have and it's so useful music in so many ways we didn't really have to use suffer and so then suffer underwent to generation essentially. 91 00:14:46.620 --> 00:14:54.180 Jessie Sams: Because they usually just mean so like to feel or to endure it right, but suffer now has a very negative connotation. 92 00:14:54.900 --> 00:15:04.080 Jessie Sams: suffer, though, that came from Latin, so we had to have an older oh yeah ticklish word that i'm trying to think of what it is, I should know this. 93 00:15:05.040 --> 00:15:16.860 Jessie Sams: My brain is is rotting in the summer months, this is sometimes where Adam online or which scenario is useful, because sometimes they will tell you like this word supplanted this older edge word. 94 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:28.980 Jessie Sams: But with that, though, there can be languages that have words that means something like suffer that has a much more neutral interpretation that's kind of like undergo yeah. 95 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:34.800 Jessie Sams: And so, when you talk about things like fits or heart attacks or you just use this verb and. 96 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:49.800 Jessie Sams: that's totally you it is totally me and it doesn't mean anything like it doesn't mean anything bad necessarily just by itself, whereas suffer on its own is very negative connotation. 97 00:15:50.850 --> 00:15:55.350 Jessie Sams: So that's something that, as an English speaking con linger that you have to kind of like. 98 00:15:55.680 --> 00:16:02.880 Jessie Sams: You know, remove from your mind that sephora necessarily has to have a negative connotation to it because that'll take care of a lot of these yeah. 99 00:16:03.420 --> 00:16:11.130 Jessie Sams: Do we need to pause for a second did you need to grab that phone call no i'm okay Okay, because we can pause and come back, but yeah okay so. 100 00:16:11.730 --> 00:16:24.540 Jessie Sams: Another thing, so you had mentioned the internal organs, and again I could think of some different strategies, including just having to reward the entire thing like a heart lies within me you're. 101 00:16:25.290 --> 00:16:43.590 Jessie Sams: A brain is inside, you know, like some sort of like copula or state of verb that indicates that it, it is just there, rather than saying, like, I have a brain or I have a stomach you could come up with different strategies that way. 102 00:16:45.240 --> 00:17:02.010 Jessie Sams: Now, one of these relates to my third idiom that I had on the list, because you can have a heart obviously this organ beating inside your chest, but you can also use that metaphorically, to talk about somebody who is kind or good and say Oh, they have a heart. 103 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:18.780 Jessie Sams: Or you could even like make it like they have a good heart, they have a kind heart, they have a soft heart, they have you know, like all these different types of hearts that we can metaphorically possess or the negative that to not have a heart, which I think is. 104 00:17:19.860 --> 00:17:23.940 Jessie Sams: I don't even I mean it's hard to guess where it came from, but it's like the idea is. 105 00:17:24.360 --> 00:17:37.530 Jessie Sams: If you don't have a heart, then you don't have the positive aspects associated with having a heart right then that's the extension like I don't think if you ever said to me Oh, that person has a bad heart. 106 00:17:38.700 --> 00:17:56.610 Jessie Sams: I feel like my first interpretation of that would always be with oh like heart attack or heart, you know something going on medically I could, if with enough context get the metaphorical reading of like oh bad hard as and not a good person or whatever. 107 00:17:57.630 --> 00:18:06.690 Jessie Sams: But, like my very first thing if I if I hear you say Oh, they have a good heart, I feel like i'm going to go metaphorical, but if you say they have a bad heart i'm going to go medical. 108 00:18:07.560 --> 00:18:11.400 Jessie Sams: Even though a good heart could be descriptive of a very healthy. 109 00:18:12.030 --> 00:18:27.660 Jessie Sams: Well pumping Oregon I don't know like that's that's sort of interesting that I would very instinctively take those different ways if I just heard them, given all the cholesterol I pushed through it, I have to think my heart is pretty good like it can endure a lot. 110 00:18:29.760 --> 00:18:30.330 Jessie Sams: Indeed. 111 00:18:32.280 --> 00:18:35.460 Jessie Sams: straw for not giving up yet yeah. 112 00:18:36.690 --> 00:18:47.040 Jessie Sams: Yes, yes, so anyway, that that is another thing and with some of these idioms like like to have a heart that are so entrenched in how you use them. 113 00:18:47.580 --> 00:18:57.270 Jessie Sams: It can be really difficult to realize that what you're saying is actually something that another language would not only restructure but use completely different words. 114 00:18:57.810 --> 00:19:03.540 Jessie Sams: In the restructuring yeah so you have to like dig behind it and say, well, what are you actually saying. 115 00:19:04.020 --> 00:19:21.510 Jessie Sams: When you tell someone have a heart or you know something like that, what do you actually telling them and so doing that I think is one of the more difficult parts of translating but it's also, I think one of the fun parts, where you have to completely reformulate the entire thing. 116 00:19:22.740 --> 00:19:24.990 Jessie Sams: To make it work in that language yeah. 117 00:19:26.190 --> 00:19:33.030 Jessie Sams: And I just say difficult, because then you can't use the concepts you can't just be like Oh, I have a word for hard, I have a word for half. 118 00:19:33.270 --> 00:19:38.310 Jessie Sams: You can't use any of that information and so that's what makes it more difficult, but it's also, I think. 119 00:19:38.670 --> 00:19:46.800 Jessie Sams: super fun to be like, how would these speakers, you know, think of being a quote good person or kind person and how would they. 120 00:19:47.190 --> 00:19:59.220 Jessie Sams: You know Compare that to something else it's very rewarding when you come up with something that is that works very well and and it's quite clever and you're very proud of, I mean honestly, those are the moments I live for calling yeah. 121 00:20:00.930 --> 00:20:07.920 Jessie Sams: And it's also especially fun when when somebody else comes up with it and it's just like wow I didn't even have to do anything. 122 00:20:08.790 --> 00:20:16.350 Jessie Sams: Okay, but it's like it's also super fun when you come up with something that you're happy about and and the person you're working with it's like oh my God that's brilliant and. 123 00:20:17.850 --> 00:20:21.840 Jessie Sams: it's really good it's a great feeling, so all around a lot with justin. 124 00:20:23.730 --> 00:20:24.330 Jessie Sams: minute blush. 125 00:20:27.030 --> 00:20:27.930 Jessie Sams: And so. 126 00:20:30.120 --> 00:20:39.810 Jessie Sams: yeah big grumpily stomach so if the camera where we're really getting all the vibrations, I think the whole photo would be shaking at this point I couldn't hear it. 127 00:20:44.490 --> 00:20:56.070 Jessie Sams: We we call my my stomach my little Jesse because it's very talkative sometimes can I add just something you keep talking Okay, so I also. 128 00:20:57.750 --> 00:21:06.270 Jessie Sams: Right, so do we want to continue with body parts, since you just jumped to the list, where there's another body part that means something else. 129 00:21:07.800 --> 00:21:25.500 Jessie Sams: Or do you want to go on to because another big area is sort of TIM poorly related hmm well let's do this one, first because it's kind of fun, the one I just did something with Ray so I was my original was to say like to have your back to someone. 130 00:21:27.060 --> 00:21:41.280 Jessie Sams: Whereas David just put the to me or to someone in parentheses, and to have someone's back it is yeah that's obviously different that's obviously very metaphorical and to have somebody back to you, it could be metaphorical, but it also going to be very. 131 00:21:43.470 --> 00:21:46.950 Jessie Sams: Very standard well what I mean by that is not. 132 00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:53.490 Jessie Sams: It is metaphorical, of course, in the conceptual sense. 133 00:21:54.600 --> 00:22:10.470 Jessie Sams: But it's it's more about blocking and other words like you just say Oh, that person has their back to me right now the same way, you could say that person has their front to me, I mean less common but it's still possible and it's simply referring to spatial location. 134 00:22:11.820 --> 00:22:27.030 Jessie Sams: And yeah that is a strange strange turn of expression, it really is this person is standing like you know with their back facing me with their back toward me or whatever, but it's like now, they have their back to me. 135 00:22:28.230 --> 00:22:31.350 Jessie Sams: it's yeah it's a very hard time honestly. 136 00:22:33.750 --> 00:22:39.120 Jessie Sams: One of the reasons I put it on the list, but it's also further down on on that part of the list. 137 00:22:41.130 --> 00:22:50.100 Jessie Sams: which by the way, I have this is really all part of the more what I call more obvious that there's something going on part of my list. 138 00:22:50.460 --> 00:22:56.760 Jessie Sams: We haven't even started thinking about the what I considered the less obvious ones, which I think can be super tricky. 139 00:22:57.420 --> 00:23:06.450 Jessie Sams: When you're translating because you don't even realize that it's not necessarily the way other people would do that but anyway getting back to like to have someone's back. 140 00:23:06.870 --> 00:23:20.100 Jessie Sams: that's like to have a heart, where you're going to have to really recreate the entire meaning thinking about you know what does it actually mean, and so you know, an English to have someone's back means you support them you're behind them you're. 141 00:23:21.630 --> 00:23:26.220 Jessie Sams: yeah it's also a strange use of help, though isn't it, it really is like. 142 00:23:28.020 --> 00:23:37.620 Jessie Sams: it's not even just like with the you know you don't even have to use have you can say i've got your back yeah right it's slightly different but. 143 00:23:38.490 --> 00:23:57.270 Jessie Sams: Yes, that's a strange thing well in what's intro okay Okay, speaking of switching over to God mm hmm you can just do a very simplified I got you right like that means like I have your back essentially i've got I got you or I have got you. 144 00:23:58.290 --> 00:24:00.840 Jessie Sams: But if I say I have you. 145 00:24:02.040 --> 00:24:13.290 Jessie Sams: totally different meaning for me yeah or like if you have someone that that to me indicates something very different it's really interesting too, because you can't say i'm on your back that means something different. 146 00:24:14.490 --> 00:24:18.570 Jessie Sams: yeah However, you could you do use that with like you know. 147 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:27.180 Jessie Sams: We call it, you know planes and stuff so it's like you know i'm on i'm on a six i'm on your sex and so on. 148 00:24:28.950 --> 00:24:31.380 Jessie Sams: And that i'm on your tail yeah i'm on your tail. 149 00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:38.760 Jessie Sams: On your sale, and I have your tail can you say I have your town now I guess not it was just tricking that's. 150 00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:52.800 Jessie Sams: Not unless i'm talking to a cat and i'm literally holding their tail and i'm like I have your tail said that many Joe or if it's a Halloween costume and it's like i'm holding up the tail to your costume yeah for your persona then. 151 00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:56.940 Jessie Sams: went there, and I mean. 152 00:24:58.140 --> 00:25:09.360 Jessie Sams: That that harkens back to our last patron live stream where David went weird at one point and and so, but I could have more doesn't sound like me. 153 00:25:11.790 --> 00:25:17.100 Jessie Sams: So, with the to have your back to somebody there is a there is a lot of. 154 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:32.340 Jessie Sams: constructions in English, where you have the the verb thing and then the how use a preposition or phrase to say how it affects you so something else you could say it's like you know I had my card die on me yeah. 155 00:25:34.110 --> 00:25:38.820 Jessie Sams: And then that uses have it doesn't need to because you also say my car died on me but. 156 00:25:40.020 --> 00:25:47.010 Jessie Sams: I think if you say I had my car died on me it's more puts you more in focus, or like it puts you more. 157 00:25:47.430 --> 00:25:55.230 Jessie Sams: In it, and it's more like an experience and so it's a bigger deal vs my car died on me it's like yeah that sucks. 158 00:25:55.560 --> 00:26:04.560 Jessie Sams: But like I have my car died on me yeah you're exactly right it puts it, like our focus is on you experiencing it, so I guess what they have does they're essentially brings it closer to you. 159 00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:14.760 Jessie Sams: It really does that's what it feels like huh so some sort of emphatic strategy yeah but speaking of also body parts to have someone by the throat. 160 00:26:15.540 --> 00:26:31.200 Jessie Sams: is again could be literal but usually, when you use it it's metaphorical for like the exact opposite of having your back it's now i'm in control and I have something on somebody else. 161 00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:35.940 Jessie Sams: In fact that's actually a weird kind of construction in itself move. 162 00:26:36.540 --> 00:26:51.600 Jessie Sams: Talking less metaphorical and more literal because you can have somebody by almost anything and mean it literally many of those have been extended, but like you'd say you know I had them by the rest, you know it's same as I held him by the rest, but man just say, have. 163 00:26:53.190 --> 00:27:03.630 Jessie Sams: Which is a strange thing, I think, because you're saying the first part, I have him which doesn't resolve, I think. 164 00:27:04.110 --> 00:27:22.170 Jessie Sams: Like if there's no clear, meaning that comes to mind, and so, then you add the propositional phrase which helps to define it, which to me was always a weird thing it happens, also in Spanish, if you say something like you know. 165 00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:30.900 Jessie Sams: Love is that a man knows which is wash your hands, but what it literally is is wash yourself the hands. 166 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:42.870 Jessie Sams: Which is something that I also found very strange, and this is that same type of thing so it's like this, the same day job by the hair yeah German does something similar where it's. 167 00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:45.750 Jessie Sams: Like to wash or to clean. 168 00:27:46.320 --> 00:27:55.800 Jessie Sams: something and then it's like you have to say, like MIA, which is, to me, you know the teeth, or whatever, and so it's like you, you do, that same kind of situation where you don't say. 169 00:27:55.860 --> 00:28:04.740 Jessie Sams: My teeth, like you, don't say like i'm brushing my teeth you say like I brush to me the teeth and it's really weird because in English in Spanish and in German. 170 00:28:05.190 --> 00:28:14.520 Jessie Sams: You we have these possessive adjectives right, we can say my teeth in English, Spanish and German there's nothing wrong with it, but in these constructions we. 171 00:28:15.210 --> 00:28:30.810 Jessie Sams: issue it, for whatever reason mm hmm it's really it is really interesting and I don't like it, by the way, because then I feel like I have to do it in these languages that we create and it's like it never makes sense to me I don't like it, but it's like well, I have to do it sometimes. 172 00:28:34.230 --> 00:28:42.480 Jessie Sams: But that OK, so those by the way, I also mentioned another one on my list While talking about to have someone by the throat. 173 00:28:42.840 --> 00:29:00.720 Jessie Sams: Because, then I said that means like i've got something on you, where you can have something on someone meaning like I can bribe you because I have the secret or I have knowledge or I have you know information about you, that it could be used against you. 174 00:29:01.800 --> 00:29:13.260 Jessie Sams: And so, that is another interesting one that it, it makes sense when you break it down like semantically why it's there, and yet again when you're approaching it from another language you would. 175 00:29:15.210 --> 00:29:19.440 Jessie Sams: Have a very differently potentially now just potentially but probably. 176 00:29:19.830 --> 00:29:33.150 Jessie Sams: I actually have no idea how to say that in any language other than English, and that includes any of the languages i've created i've no idea to say that I feel like you would almost have to break it down for some languages causally to say like they know. 177 00:29:34.770 --> 00:29:49.140 Jessie Sams: Information they like because really the concept, there is like they know something or they have evidence, they possess evidence, they are touching evidence, they hold evidence against me. 178 00:29:50.130 --> 00:29:51.720 Jessie Sams: yeah and so it's like you. 179 00:29:52.350 --> 00:30:05.250 Jessie Sams: You would almost I feel like it would almost be broken down with some relative class structures are very different verbs that that's good to be something like that I don't but it's like it feels like if we have an expression for it in English. 180 00:30:05.910 --> 00:30:18.420 Jessie Sams: It seems pretty like there's a pretty good chance they got expressions for sure sure, and I just you know never I suppose that's not something that you really talk about a lot in language classes right right like, how do you blackmail someone. 181 00:30:19.590 --> 00:30:22.050 Jessie Sams: These are, these are really important lessons. 182 00:30:23.070 --> 00:30:27.780 Jessie Sams: But that would be interesting one place to find that information I feel like. 183 00:30:28.350 --> 00:30:36.420 Jessie Sams: would be in court documents, because that would be you know, like do they have evidence against you do they what you know what do they talk about. 184 00:30:36.780 --> 00:30:45.390 Jessie Sams: When they're charging somebody if they have a kind of court system like we do if they don't then at that point, you know, not even sure how they would talk about it. 185 00:30:46.230 --> 00:31:01.380 Jessie Sams: But yeah it does seem pretty reasonable that would be a an expression at some point in the language Then again, you could also conceive of a society where like that so taboo like you don't keep secrets about other people, and like use it against them that. 186 00:31:02.490 --> 00:31:15.450 Jessie Sams: You would have to do a whole phrase a whole class of situation it's also weird because I mean one is using the have but also that it was on you, because you just say something about you, but doesn't work yeah. 187 00:31:18.600 --> 00:31:23.880 Jessie Sams: Because yeah if I say, I have a story about you then i'm just going to be telling a story about you, is no big deal. 188 00:31:24.270 --> 00:31:32.640 Jessie Sams: But if I will you can even say stuff like this, many menacingly it's like I have information about you, yes, but you can't say I have something about you. 189 00:31:33.600 --> 00:31:45.810 Jessie Sams: Oh yeah you can yeah it's gone on, but also if you say I have information about you i'm less likely, you would have to really say it menacingly or in a context where be Superman missing versus I have information on you. 190 00:31:46.770 --> 00:32:02.280 Jessie Sams: That immediately makes me step back and go oh there's something going on here versus like I have information about you could be like super basic like oh yeah I know your birthday, or like I already know this information, social security number or whatever yeah. 191 00:32:03.870 --> 00:32:03.900 Jessie Sams: I. 192 00:32:06.360 --> 00:32:17.610 Jessie Sams: can do whatever I want with it, but there's also speaking of to have something right, we also have like these really interesting, you can have it out. 193 00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:36.990 Jessie Sams: You can have in for you can have it bad yeah and I wrote these down, especially have it out, so all three of those are strange, but you can have it out for somebody or you can have it out with somebody and they mean two entirely separate separate things yeah. 194 00:32:38.190 --> 00:32:45.000 Jessie Sams: I mean, I think that the first one makes more sense, so if he says something like I have it out for him. 195 00:32:46.020 --> 00:32:56.490 Jessie Sams: You could imagine that thing being a sword, you know you have it out and it's for him to have it out with someone. 196 00:32:57.780 --> 00:32:59.940 Jessie Sams: makes a lot less sense. 197 00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:15.000 Jessie Sams: And if you just say to have it out the implied meaning is the with someone meaning, yes it is like, if you say we, you know dot X and y had it out like you understand that they were fighting they. 198 00:33:16.080 --> 00:33:20.400 Jessie Sams: You know they had some words there's another guys to have some more yes. 199 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:28.950 Jessie Sams: I think that these two could be related because if you have it out for somebody, then the implication is they haven't got it yet. 200 00:33:29.760 --> 00:33:44.490 Jessie Sams: Okay, otherwise Why would it be for them re re it's kind of like say if I have a present for you the automatic interpretation is that you don't have it yet right and then, if you have it out with somebody you can't do anything with anybody unless. 201 00:33:45.630 --> 00:33:52.110 Jessie Sams: you're both there by, and so you have it out for somebody, then you go and have it out with them. 202 00:33:54.450 --> 00:33:57.270 Jessie Sams: Together it's a together activity. 203 00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:05.460 Jessie Sams: But yeah, these are all and I don't really necessarily want to focus on each of those in turn because there's a lot there. 204 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:14.550 Jessie Sams: And there are still some other ones, I want to get to, on the other part of the list yeah, but we also have a lot of time expressions. 205 00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:20.580 Jessie Sams: Because we in English treat time as something that you can own possess in us. 206 00:34:21.450 --> 00:34:38.670 Jessie Sams: And you know there's like a time as money metaphor right, you can save time spend time, etc, but that also means you can have time, which means you can you know, have the time to read you can have time to cook so you can have time, in that sense, but you can also more metaphorically. 207 00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:45.960 Jessie Sams: You can have a day like if I just say oh i've had a day, you know that that means it wasn't a good day. 208 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.760 Jessie Sams: Or you can also have the time of your life, you can. 209 00:34:51.570 --> 00:35:02.040 Jessie Sams: You know, like there's all of these different ways that we've been applied that but it all comes back to the fact that, in English, we treat time as something you can possess. 210 00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:10.860 Jessie Sams: and not all languages do that, and so this one, I think, is super tricky because I know a lot of people want to dig in. 211 00:35:11.310 --> 00:35:21.990 Jessie Sams: In our streams to like what about concepts for time and things like that, but you really have to break it down and think how do they how do they view it, because if they view. 212 00:35:22.410 --> 00:35:27.960 Jessie Sams: For instance, time is something you see passing by then you can't own it you can't take it you can't possess it. 213 00:35:28.530 --> 00:35:41.940 Jessie Sams: So instead you're going to have to you know, maybe you saw a time or maybe you, you know see a day or that's right that's actually a really like it it's really a good expression, I like that idea I saw today. 214 00:35:44.610 --> 00:35:50.700 Jessie Sams: did something like that and Lillian i'm trying to remember what that was actually the language I was thinking of because. 215 00:35:51.270 --> 00:36:02.130 Jessie Sams: The concept of time and valerian is like water running, which means it's passing by and so say I remember one of your conceptual metaphors was that the water hitting the rock. 216 00:36:04.140 --> 00:36:11.640 Jessie Sams: And whirling around it, you had something you explained it to me, and it was so cool and now that's like you don't even remember that's right yeah. 217 00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:15.480 Jessie Sams: Really yeah I totally thought that was valerian. 218 00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:20.370 Jessie Sams: Wrong one yeah but anyway in another language is. 219 00:36:23.640 --> 00:36:32.220 Jessie Sams: Viewing you know the running water, as time that really puts you outside it, and running water is not something you can have possess or. 220 00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:39.600 Jessie Sams: really do things because it's no longer running if you yeah if you take it up river. 221 00:36:40.680 --> 00:36:49.260 Jessie Sams: And so you would do you would experience and talk about time very, very differently, all the way down to what verb you would use, you know with it. 222 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:55.290 Jessie Sams: Just to be able to say things like I have time to see you. 223 00:36:56.310 --> 00:36:57.840 Jessie Sams: or whatever yeah. 224 00:36:59.640 --> 00:37:01.080 Jessie Sams: Or if I just asked you have time. 225 00:37:02.580 --> 00:37:06.150 Jessie Sams: Early is just asking, I have the time of my life to see you. 226 00:37:07.380 --> 00:37:10.530 Jessie Sams: can't make some can't go mixing those metaphors. 227 00:37:12.060 --> 00:37:12.900 Jessie Sams: It doesn't work. 228 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.310 Jessie Sams: But that is also interesting that to me like. 229 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:35.850 Jessie Sams: If you just say Oh, she had a time or she had a time with it like that's negative versus Oh, she had the time of her life, like is always going to be positive, even if, like, so to say something negative like she had you have to say she had the worst time of her life, where she had. 230 00:37:37.350 --> 00:37:39.390 Jessie Sams: A horrible time of her life. 231 00:37:40.410 --> 00:37:42.690 Jessie Sams: Like you have to like actually modify it. 232 00:37:44.100 --> 00:37:47.250 Jessie Sams: In ways to make it negative yeah. 233 00:37:48.480 --> 00:38:07.950 Jessie Sams: And then, of course, in my head i'm singing the song and watching the lift happen had the time of my life, I would not have a good time, if I had to do that list there's David doing the lift with his hand wasn't very good, it was not nobody saw that. 234 00:38:09.810 --> 00:38:14.520 Jessie Sams: They will on YouTube okay so some of these then like. 235 00:38:15.540 --> 00:38:22.350 Jessie Sams: kind of go back and forth, because some of them are maybe less obvious versus more obvious on my my list here. 236 00:38:23.100 --> 00:38:35.400 Jessie Sams: But one thing that I have come up against I know we're thinking about languages is that it is, I think kind of odd that, in English, we do treat so many things as possible. 237 00:38:36.210 --> 00:38:43.380 Jessie Sams: to the point where like you can have a car right, which means I own a car, but then you can also just say Oh, I have a son. 238 00:38:44.520 --> 00:38:53.880 Jessie Sams: And like that puts owning a person sort of in the same category right as owning these very physical possessions. 239 00:38:54.300 --> 00:39:05.250 Jessie Sams: And so, this gets to you know, like alien double in inalienable these kinds of ideas, but it's also just like the concept of how would the language handle. 240 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:11.760 Jessie Sams: Having like in a family line, I have a father, I have a son like that's. 241 00:39:12.600 --> 00:39:20.430 Jessie Sams: Very English way of saying it yeah i'm, this is one of the first kind of Aha moments for me because either in this one studying Arabic. 242 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:28.290 Jessie Sams: Arabic doesn't have a verb for to have at all and, by the way, this is something that case this hasn't come across it there's some. 243 00:39:28.770 --> 00:39:46.590 Jessie Sams: Language that don't have a verb for each position they don't have a verb or to have but Arabic uses two different prepositions for having, for example, a car and and mother so it'd be you know i'm the say yeah. 244 00:39:47.670 --> 00:39:57.750 Jessie Sams: And and it's kind of like a preposition that means at her on so it also doesn't have a verb for to be there's no to be in here. 245 00:39:58.980 --> 00:40:06.600 Jessie Sams: So it's a nice idea at me as a car with no is but Lee for. 246 00:40:08.190 --> 00:40:09.480 Jessie Sams: Mother would be you know. 247 00:40:10.590 --> 00:40:23.910 Jessie Sams: The room right so we're mother and I have no idea i'm just nodding to be like that's by no means mother is my mother so Leone and that's I have a mother leia, which is, I have a brother. 248 00:40:25.860 --> 00:40:39.120 Jessie Sams: And, and again no for to be there and and this, by the way this preposition it doesn't flecked but the pronouns and Arabic can be attached to. 249 00:40:39.570 --> 00:40:55.260 Jessie Sams: prepositions the way they can be two verbs and so on these I have on the Chi would be you have your man i'm lucky, you have your woman and so on, and the same thing with the only and. 250 00:40:56.460 --> 00:41:03.060 Jessie Sams: A lucky lucky lucky so yeah that is so that's I think super cool. 251 00:41:04.410 --> 00:41:14.160 Jessie Sams: And then also along with like separating out like actual possessions that can be had versus ones that can't that you don't own. 252 00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:18.810 Jessie Sams: is also our differences to say like. 253 00:41:20.190 --> 00:41:22.710 Jessie Sams: I have a son meaning like in general, like. 254 00:41:23.160 --> 00:41:33.360 Jessie Sams: that's just in general versus to have a baby, or like Oh, she had a son, yesterday you know, like yeah meaning to give birth and we use it in the same. 255 00:41:33.630 --> 00:41:44.220 Jessie Sams: We use the same verb yes, we can use different you know ones, obviously, if we want to say, like Oh, she gave birth yesterday, but you can be having a baby meaning you're pregnant. 256 00:41:45.210 --> 00:41:56.490 Jessie Sams: Or you can be like actively having a baby mean you're giving birth, but we used to have there in so many situations which again is not something that that you would. 257 00:41:57.150 --> 00:42:06.030 Jessie Sams: To do yeah it's a really weird trick have to list it with the same person because it's like you know, I have a daughter, that means I have a daughter right now. 258 00:42:06.690 --> 00:42:17.370 Jessie Sams: I had a daughter, it meant that you know, I was associated with somebody who gave birth to a daughter, but it's also something that you could say after they've died, I had a daughter. 259 00:42:18.600 --> 00:42:20.790 Jessie Sams: And you know I don't anymore. 260 00:42:22.350 --> 00:42:25.290 Jessie Sams: And it's a different. 261 00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:36.330 Jessie Sams: interpretation you with each of those things, one is like an ongoing you know state another one is an event a tea like event, you know, the idea that. 262 00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:43.920 Jessie Sams: I mean, even though it does doesn't just happen like that, when you give birth, you know the ideas, one point, you did what you did. 263 00:42:44.820 --> 00:42:57.000 Jessie Sams: Just just happened like a sneeze yeah versus you know if you say something like you know I had a great grandfather that's also it's not necessarily T like that it was like. 264 00:42:58.290 --> 00:43:09.810 Jessie Sams: Well, I guess, it is, but it's like it's not looking at it as a change of state, it was there was a state that occurred, for a long period of time and that period has ended. 265 00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:18.060 Jessie Sams: You know yeah yeah I will say they the ambiguity disappears when you take it out of children, because as soon as you say, like. 266 00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:27.240 Jessie Sams: I have a father or I had a father it's true you know pointed somebody think you gave birth right right um it's only if it's you know baby child. 267 00:43:28.140 --> 00:43:34.740 Jessie Sams: daughter or son or so on, yes, and so that's like the only way that we have that but. 268 00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:43.680 Jessie Sams: But then that is also like and actually going back to the Arabic example, would there be a different preposition for like Okay, so I have a mother. 269 00:43:44.130 --> 00:43:55.530 Jessie Sams: But then I have a boyfriend or I have a husband is very different know us leave for that, and when I say leave that means I you know, on me right right. 270 00:43:57.660 --> 00:44:02.880 Jessie Sams: You know, different pronouns for the different ones, but you'd easily, as well as, like, I have a friend or. 271 00:44:04.200 --> 00:44:12.660 Jessie Sams: Because obviously those relationships are very different, so I could can see by the language actually using different verbs or add positions. 272 00:44:13.140 --> 00:44:23.490 Jessie Sams: To talk about the different levels of quote having when it's things like okay everybody has a mother so it's like that's going to be a very like. 273 00:44:24.090 --> 00:44:36.780 Jessie Sams: inalienable kind of thing versus you know, having a relationship like a friendship, or something that you know, is a little bit more, and surely alien Abul. 274 00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:41.640 Jessie Sams: But still being very different from like I have. 275 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:44.280 Jessie Sams: A table yeah. 276 00:44:49.140 --> 00:44:53.790 Jessie Sams: which also sometimes doesn't even mean I own it you could just say, I have a table in my apartment. 277 00:44:54.810 --> 00:45:07.590 Jessie Sams: But maybe that furniture came with the apartment and it's not actually yours it's just like oh yeah it is there is a table and in the apartment yeah and I so sorry now i'm just like. 278 00:45:08.730 --> 00:45:20.340 Jessie Sams: really gets in your head when you start thinking about the ways that you use your own language and that's also OK, so in other ones, speaking of objects that you can have like to have glasses. 279 00:45:21.450 --> 00:45:22.680 Jessie Sams: or to have contacts. 280 00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:34.470 Jessie Sams: which usually, when you say that what you're actually saying is not like I own them what you're usually saying is actually something more along the lines of I need help, seeing. 281 00:45:34.950 --> 00:45:41.250 Jessie Sams: yeah and so like I can be on the phone with somebody and they could be like you know talking about something. 282 00:45:41.940 --> 00:45:46.740 Jessie Sams: I don't I don't know like having to wear 3D glasses at a movie or something and I can be like Oh, I have glasses. 283 00:45:47.130 --> 00:45:55.770 Jessie Sams: And what i'm really saying is like, I have to wear these other ones to see and that's going to make it hard for me to put the 3D glasses on because they never fit over the actual glasses that you're wearing. 284 00:45:56.910 --> 00:46:12.570 Jessie Sams: But like you can use it in a way that actually doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you're trying to point out that you own them you're trying to point out like I can't see without them, indeed, because you know I have glasses, but right now I don't have glasses frame. 285 00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:25.500 Jessie Sams: True they're both true, and so what David is pointing out is that most of the time he can't actually see yeah this is this is also like one of those places where. 286 00:46:26.910 --> 00:46:33.180 Jessie Sams: You know, we think about changes in verbs is being on the verb and here it's like an article. 287 00:46:35.100 --> 00:46:36.300 Jessie Sams: So it's like. 288 00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:45.630 Jessie Sams: saying I have my glasses doesn't mean the same thing as I have glasses. 289 00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:53.700 Jessie Sams: base if you say I have my glasses, then i'm assuming you have with you there on you they're on you. 290 00:46:55.320 --> 00:47:06.990 Jessie Sams: Which doesn't mean that they're necessarily on your face just somewhere with you um but yeah that that does really change or if you say, I have the glasses now it's like yeah you're like. 291 00:47:07.980 --> 00:47:16.110 Jessie Sams: Holding a pair of glasses we've been discussing not that you necessarily need them or that there anything related yeah. 292 00:47:17.130 --> 00:47:20.220 Jessie Sams: That is really interesting that that completely changes. 293 00:47:23.850 --> 00:47:35.250 Jessie Sams: it's kind of the same thing when people are asking about we have valerian it's like well there's no distinction between you know and so like shouldn't any of these translations in English be okay it's like. 294 00:47:36.540 --> 00:47:54.000 Jessie Sams: yeah but it's like with the tense you're using and the context, here it makes much more sense for this in this situation to be indefinite this one to be definite it's it's it's a weird type of thing where it's like it doesn't necessarily matter what's there and what isn't there. 295 00:47:55.110 --> 00:48:04.110 Jessie Sams: The interpretation can be very strong unless you really build up a context to force it to be something different right right. 296 00:48:05.250 --> 00:48:11.640 Jessie Sams: But um These are all things that again I feel like they're less obvious by way of being idiomatic. 297 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:20.940 Jessie Sams: In the way that we we use them in our daily life, because I feel like it would be super tempting if we were handed a line that says, you know. 298 00:48:22.470 --> 00:48:23.370 Jessie Sams: I don't know. 299 00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:32.520 Jessie Sams: Bobby has glasses, and so we you know in translating that look at it and think Okay, you know. 300 00:48:33.060 --> 00:48:38.340 Jessie Sams: here's what we need, but we would need to really step back and say what are they actually saying and we may end up. 301 00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:52.260 Jessie Sams: Even having to throw the whole line out and be like start over and say you know yeah it could be like something different, like you can imagine, of language that uses the verb need there instead or use right yeah. 302 00:48:53.130 --> 00:48:58.080 Jessie Sams: Anyway, by the way, looking at the time i'm knowing what you gotta do you got a list here. 303 00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:07.920 Jessie Sams: We do have a list, but also like there's a lot that we could can play and just once, we could throw out to be like hey remember again things we don't think about as much. 304 00:49:08.220 --> 00:49:16.290 Jessie Sams: Like oh i'll have the fish at a restaurant where what you're saying is i'm ordering or this is please bring me this thing. 305 00:49:17.310 --> 00:49:22.500 Jessie Sams: say the waiter you know i'll have the fish is like Oh, you will you think that's gonna happen. 306 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:24.930 Jessie Sams: you're gonna pay for it. 307 00:49:25.710 --> 00:49:38.010 Jessie Sams: Oh, my gosh i'm already like to have a party which means you know that's a tough one, that is a tough one, because then all the other ways that I was about to say are also very specific to English to throw a party to hold a party. 308 00:49:38.370 --> 00:49:55.590 Jessie Sams: And so it's like these are all very English tea, and so you would need to really again think about what what does that actually mean for your speakers to host gosh throw it throw is very weird you can throw a party and throw a party, a shower. 309 00:49:58.950 --> 00:50:02.850 Jessie Sams: Oh, but if you have a shower you're more likely talking about actually bathing. 310 00:50:04.710 --> 00:50:10.260 Jessie Sams: yeah like i've had a shower today versus i'm throwing a shower for someone. 311 00:50:11.430 --> 00:50:19.740 Jessie Sams: I could say, I had a shower meaning like somebody a through a shower for me for with gifts and you know baby shower wedding shower whatever. 312 00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:39.330 Jessie Sams: But like that would really take context, otherwise, if you just out of the blue said Oh, I had a shower I would assume what you meant was you were in water yeah and imagine how much world building and just background information goes into the expression to have a vacation. 313 00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:42.570 Jessie Sams: is just so much. 314 00:50:45.120 --> 00:50:54.630 Jessie Sams: It implies so much as yes, it really does also to have a dream to have a goal to have potential. 315 00:50:55.260 --> 00:51:08.220 Jessie Sams: These are all again very like you need to get inside the space of what does that mean, I think one of my favorite pairs though was like to have power hmm because I can without context. 316 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:20.070 Jessie Sams: Ferry obviously to me take two very different meanings I have power, meaning, like the electricity is working versus I have power, meaning like i'm in charge. 317 00:51:22.080 --> 00:51:40.590 Jessie Sams: Which in charge, then leads to electricity, anyway, but those are very, very different but it's like why I have power would mean I possess the electric currents that are currently running and actually running. 318 00:51:41.610 --> 00:51:42.510 Jessie Sams: Because like that. 319 00:51:43.710 --> 00:51:47.160 Jessie Sams: I don't maybe you don't talk about it as much when your power doesn't go out as often. 320 00:51:48.270 --> 00:52:03.570 Jessie Sams: But, especially where i've lived in the past that was a very big deal, do you have power, do you not have power when speaking specifically about utilities and whatnot or like some people would actually build like little cabins that didn't have power at all. 321 00:52:04.590 --> 00:52:20.640 Jessie Sams: But they were you know really meant for like hunting cabins or the grid cabins and so yeah if you think about the like what this buys us by saying this is, if you were to speak more literally. 322 00:52:21.870 --> 00:52:37.110 Jessie Sams: You would be losing a lot when you'd be bearing elite quite a bit because, basically, something that would be more literal again the all of this is couched conceptual metaphor, but something that would be more literal would be to say you know, do you have power, you could say. 323 00:52:38.370 --> 00:52:44.430 Jessie Sams: Yes, there is electricity running to the House or yes there's electricity running to my house right now. 324 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:57.000 Jessie Sams: And so it's like as in of itself metaphorical for the running yep and it's like you have to get so far before you get to the my house part right right. 325 00:52:57.900 --> 00:53:02.190 Jessie Sams: And it's just like and also there is constructions are just kind of clunky. 326 00:53:03.180 --> 00:53:12.840 Jessie Sams: it's so much easier if you put the like you know the subject right in front and then you just use this bleached verb and then the thing yeah you know. 327 00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:20.190 Jessie Sams: It makes it a lot easier and a lot quicker and it also gives the person, the information they want quicker. 328 00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:28.830 Jessie Sams: Because we're so least I have do you have power it no it's not that we're lazy we're trying to be efficient, otherwise we'd be wasting time i'm. 329 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:31.290 Jessie Sams: Always yell at my students when they say. 330 00:53:32.100 --> 00:53:39.960 Jessie Sams: You know, like Oh, they did it because they're lazy speaker or whatever and it's like no it's efficiency is not laziness if you realize, you can use. 331 00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:51.780 Jessie Sams: A lot less to get the same meaning across you would be silly to not use that a lot less, and so you know, save your time for the more important things, so you have time later. 332 00:53:52.710 --> 00:54:00.330 Jessie Sams: I want to put a pin in that or at least just musing that, for one reason often you'll see commoners get sidetracked where it's like. 333 00:54:00.870 --> 00:54:11.040 Jessie Sams: or a linguist to it's like no language ever does this or con layer says, you know i'm going to have my language, have you know 5 billion words for the seventh page of a book. 334 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:21.720 Jessie Sams: And it's like if you're looking at natural languages, I wish I could get these con layers and these linguists, in the same room to tell them there's a reason why natural languages are the way they are. 335 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:26.190 Jessie Sams: it's not the case that languages can't do these things it's just not very practical. 336 00:54:26.850 --> 00:54:38.130 Jessie Sams: that's why and there's really no other explanation needed beyond that it's not like oh it's impossible for language learning the sorts impossible for a human being to learn this that's ridiculous no. 337 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:45.540 Jessie Sams: it's just not practical not efficient digression um okay so as a side note yeah. 338 00:54:46.230 --> 00:55:01.710 Jessie Sams: Another way of saying, do you have power that I could envision asking in a language, where electricity is a thing or you know, whatever would be something like deer lights burn hmm meaning like are they I like that something or it could be noise related. 339 00:55:03.180 --> 00:55:04.260 Jessie Sams: Is your House crackling. 340 00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:12.900 Jessie Sams: You know, like you could think about all these different ways to be like, how could they say that you're right like at the point where. 341 00:55:13.470 --> 00:55:24.090 Jessie Sams: there's a very short expression in English, if you need three sentences to convey the same thing in your language, you may start thinking like Is this something they talked about a lot, because if so they're going to shorten it. 342 00:55:24.630 --> 00:55:31.830 Jessie Sams: they're not going to keep doing that very inefficient way of speaking, unless it is again like something that. 343 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:39.060 Jessie Sams: Maybe electricity is so uncommon in your world that like you really do need three sentences, because people will be like wait wait, they have white. 344 00:55:39.510 --> 00:55:46.650 Jessie Sams: And you would need to actually explain the concept and and whatnot to be able to translate that sentence well you know we were watching. 345 00:55:47.070 --> 00:55:55.680 Jessie Sams: The gilded age in there was actually a kind of topic around town, there is electricity in that house yeah you know. 346 00:55:55.980 --> 00:56:04.230 Jessie Sams: And that was a story at the time, you know, and that was certainly true of our world at one point in time it's not anymore, but there was a time where it's like. 347 00:56:04.560 --> 00:56:14.940 Jessie Sams: Probably you'd be more likely to say there is electricity at same place because simply bit they're being electricity, that was the news right right. 348 00:56:16.560 --> 00:56:18.420 Jessie Sams: You know what's interesting. 349 00:56:20.040 --> 00:56:23.760 Jessie Sams: I would never say for a house mm hmm. 350 00:56:25.050 --> 00:56:31.080 Jessie Sams: Maybe it no Let me take that that never I don't think I would say, for a house the power is on. 351 00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.700 Jessie Sams: I would say the power is out, I would not say the power is in. 352 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:41.610 Jessie Sams: The electricity is out fine, but I would not say the electricity is in. 353 00:56:42.870 --> 00:56:59.310 Jessie Sams: me I could say I could say on but no, but the out and in oh versus like if I say the electricity is all i'm assuming somebody turned it off like you didn't pay your bills versus the electricity is out, meaning like there was a natural disaster, but I can't say it's in. 354 00:57:01.020 --> 00:57:02.610 Jessie Sams: I can say it's on but not in. 355 00:57:04.350 --> 00:57:17.670 Jessie Sams: Well that's because that's not the type of out, it is it's the it's the metaphor of a filled jar so you can be out of liquid in the JAR or not enough liquid in the JAR. 356 00:57:19.350 --> 00:57:22.620 Jessie Sams: Would you be full I don't know there's. 357 00:57:23.670 --> 00:57:24.060 Jessie Sams: I don't know. 358 00:57:25.680 --> 00:57:30.090 Jessie Sams: there's electricity in the House, you can say that, yes, yes there's liquid in the JAR. 359 00:57:31.230 --> 00:57:35.910 Jessie Sams: But you can't just say electricity isn't just like you can't say the liquid is in. 360 00:57:37.020 --> 00:57:46.590 Jessie Sams: huh wow okay So these are all all things to think about and I think we do our minds yeah we did because that's I mean like forget electricity it's like. 361 00:57:47.100 --> 00:57:54.600 Jessie Sams: There is no water in the JAR the water is out there is liquid in the JAR the waters and you can't say it, why not, but you can say the doctor isn't. 362 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:07.140 Jessie Sams: Okay, so this was really what I hope a fun deep dive into something very specific. 363 00:58:07.680 --> 00:58:16.530 Jessie Sams: That, I think, sometimes we take for granted, when we are speaking, you know in our native languages are your first languages or even a second language, you know very well. 364 00:58:17.490 --> 00:58:25.920 Jessie Sams: These are just things that you can do without really thinking about conceptually what do they mean and how would How would another language use these things. 365 00:58:26.310 --> 00:58:34.170 Jessie Sams: And sometimes you don't have to overthink it for some languages, they also use have in these situations, and so, for some of them it's like. 366 00:58:35.100 --> 00:58:39.810 Jessie Sams: that's fine you know you don't have to reconceptualize every single use have to have. 367 00:58:40.590 --> 00:58:49.950 Jessie Sams: or whatever words you're working with, but if it has been semantically bleached for a language you're very familiar with and you're trying to translate it into another language. 368 00:58:50.340 --> 00:59:02.940 Jessie Sams: It can be really fun to choose different verbs that gets semantically bleached and in their own ways to translate these you know new, by the way, it'd be fun to to have this list to the. 369 00:59:04.020 --> 00:59:04.560 Jessie Sams: You know the. 370 00:59:05.610 --> 00:59:10.560 Jessie Sams: Actual yummy and then we never even got to your list, and so we got this you did it. 371 00:59:12.090 --> 00:59:22.410 Jessie Sams: hit all yours yeah all mine are on there I couldn't believe that you, you got both you have to have out and have it in fours like I thought I was really clever coming up with those oh. 372 00:59:25.020 --> 00:59:34.710 Jessie Sams: It was clever we're just both clever yeah oh alright, well, we hope that you had fun and know every time. 373 00:59:36.870 --> 00:59:42.690 Jessie Sams: or had a laugh, as we had this chat during our podcast. 374 00:59:43.950 --> 00:59:47.370 Jessie Sams: I know, no i'm not going to stop sorry it's gonna get really out you're gonna have to. 375 00:59:50.190 --> 00:59:51.510 Jessie Sams: But we. 376 00:59:52.680 --> 00:59:57.990 Jessie Sams: say I don't know why I said, but there that was totally the wrong conjunction, I really should have said and. 377 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:05.280 Jessie Sams: You know, and so in Russian army in sport and, in part, well perfect I was doing a little Russian moment. 378 01:00:07.110 --> 01:00:16.800 Jessie Sams: And we're, but we hope you have a wonderful week slash month until next time we hear or see you, and in the meantime. 379 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.340 Jessie Sams: Stay grammar grammar bye everybody. 380 01:00:27.180 --> 01:00:30.510 Jessie 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