Jessie Sams: hello, and welcome to link time Chad episode 17.
Jessie Sams: David says hi to.
David Peterson: Oh, what was I supposed to follow up with a high.
Jessie Sams: I don't know more than a laugh.
David Peterson: Here we go okay so welcome to the link time chat episode 17 where the rules are made up in the points don't matter.
Jessie Sams: Whose line is it anyway Nice.
Jessie Sams: That shows not still on is it.
David Peterson: I think it is.
Jessie Sams: Really who's the host now because it's not drew Carey.
David Peterson: mentor know like they brought everybody back it came back it was like two years ago, so I think it might still be going, but you never know coven may have.
David Peterson: Put the kibosh on it, but yeah I came back with the original cast.
Jessie Sams: Wayne Brady everyone.
David Peterson: yeah.
Jessie Sams: Ryan styles.
Jessie Sams: yep colon.
Jessie Sams: yep cute what's his last name.
David Peterson: I thought that was his last name.
Jessie Sams: Okay, so for people listening, I did a hand gesture, obviously, indicating that i'm trying to think of what his last name is doesn't matter signed, is it anyway, was the show that kept me laughing in the late 90s.
David Peterson: Oh yeah, by the way, speaking of which, I think that we discussed this before, but let's ask it again, did you watch the British one.
Jessie Sams: No.
Jessie Sams: I did, but I had to stop and think about it it's like I don't think I did i'm pretty sure i've never even seen an episode of the British.
David Peterson: The British one was very, very good, but also the the host played much more of a straight man and so at the time, I thought that they actually did keep track of points and I.
David Peterson: Really weird yeah weird to me how.
David Peterson: flippant to carry was about the points because I was like I thought this was the point like there was actually a winner at the end, and like they kept track.
Jessie Sams: Oh, my gosh Okay, so it says it is still going i'm.
Jessie Sams: Calling mockery there you go.
David Peterson: that's right.
Jessie Sams: wow.
Jessie Sams: I had no idea I need to I need to find it so I can see.
Jessie Sams: No, no, we are wrong.
Jessie Sams: 1998 to 2007 it was hosted by drew Carey we're right there, but the revival of the show is hosted by you should Tyler.
David Peterson: And that is.
Jessie Sams: On the CW.
David Peterson: Really yeah oh man.
David Peterson: I, I want to make sure that I have the name right is that the same person who voices Latina on Archer.
Jessie Sams: I don't know about that.
David Peterson: Name it'll say.
Jessie Sams: ready.
Jessie Sams: Thank you, David for teaching me how to use the Internet today.
David Peterson: You got it.
Jessie Sams: You got to.
David Peterson: turn the thing on, you have to turn the computer on, and then it comes up on the screen.
Jessie Sams: So the role I knew her from was actually she was in a few episodes of friends.
Jessie Sams: Oh, my gosh she plays Mother Nature and the Santa Claus films.
David Peterson: never saw those.
Jessie Sams: um yes lana kane and Archer.
David Peterson: Here we go okay so yeah she's of course amazing as one on Archer.
David Peterson: Very funny wow now i'm super curious to see it, I mean not like I wouldn't have been beforehand, because, of course, you know I loved it before and the the bulk of it is actually the cast, not the host but now i'm i'm super interested dang.
Jessie Sams: And now I wonder if the points matter in.
Jessie Sams: Her version.
David Peterson: You know mm hmm.
Jessie Sams: yeah they didn't matter when drew Carey was doing it.
David Peterson: I mean, because it's like they kind of you know it is similar show like Are you familiar with around the Horn espn okay so that's the one that's hosted by Tony reality and what it is it's for sports.
David Peterson: Not broadcasters, what do you call the people that write in newspapers.
David Peterson: You know the old timey journalists sports journalists, thank you for different sports journalists Come on, and there you know, on the screen virtually any throws out a topic, and they each get a chance to discuss it and he gives them points based on.
David Peterson: how well they make their point.
David Peterson: And there actually is around where first one person is eliminated and they don't get to speak for the rest of the episode until the end when they come back.
David Peterson: And then there's another round where another person is eliminated, and then they go head to head and the person who wins at the very end, basically gets 30 seconds of screen time to say whatever they want.
Jessie Sams: Interesting now of course it's called around the Horn is important, with it being for guests, because around the Horn is a baseball term where you throw the ball around the Horn and it's all for basis.
David Peterson: Oh, I thought it was just a generic term, you know that originated from going around the Cape you know of South Africa, when you were going from the east coast to the gold country in California.
Jessie Sams: i'm sure some people could use it that way.
Jessie Sams: But slow baseball lingo for you.
Jessie Sams: He throw the ball around the Horn.
David Peterson: yeah hey, what do you call it when when there's like two guys right and then one of them gets the ball and one of them is caught in between basis and they run back and forth tossing the ball to.
David Peterson: discuss this out.
Jessie Sams: Did we discuss this in the podcast or was that something that we discussed in a live stream.
David Peterson: I mean I I don't know because I just don't have a term for that I don't even know what you'd call that.
David Peterson: Certainly, it must have been the live stream.
vegetables.
Jessie Sams: must have been in the license I swear that's where the whole pickle discussion got started.
Jessie Sams: It was okay.
David Peterson: Oh.
David Peterson: Anyway, is it called a pickle is that what it's called.
David Peterson: In a pickle I I didn't know because you know me i'm not i'm not a baseball person I certainly didn't grow up like keeping score for baseball games son of the major.
David Peterson: Not every ball player.
Jessie Sams: Not everybody says lucky yes.
Jessie Sams: Okay Okay, but we have some like serious cobbling stuff to do today.
Jessie Sams: And I.
Jessie Sams: Hope I don't even remember what time we started and so i'm going to be requiring you to keep track of how longer recording.
David Peterson: Oh yeah don't worry about that I, I know I know what we're doing but.
David Peterson: There is actually one more non business element that we should discuss I mean again this is going to be an audio podcast for for a bit until we put it up on video but.
David Peterson: Right, I did want to draw attention to the fact that I mean I am now doing what the bet required of me, it was supposed to be for the next podcast episode, but it took.
Jessie Sams: It took.
David Peterson: But for those that are on video oh.
David Peterson: There we go.
David Peterson: I am wearing a pink shirt, and that is pinkie pie on there was very excited probably getting ready for a party or throwing a party because that's what pinkie pie does.
Jessie Sams: best way to live life.
David Peterson: hang on a SEC hang on a SEC.
David Peterson: say anything Jesse.
Jessie Sams: anything.
David Peterson: Something has occurred, something has occurred.
Jessie Sams: Has your sound gone wonky.
David Peterson: It did okay.
David Peterson: My air pods just decided to take a little snooze.
Jessie Sams: As one May and the middle of the afternoon.
David Peterson: And they're back.
David Peterson: Good so that's that I guess anyway so yeah we're back to normal.
Jessie Sams: so next time that happens, you need to like wave me down or something so that way, I can say all the really fun things why you can't hear.
David Peterson: i'm got it, you can tell everybody what you really think of me.
Jessie Sams: Right, and you know that's obviously going to be much easier for me if you can't hear what i'm saying.
David Peterson: Because I want to immediately fire you.
Jessie Sams: it'll it'll take until the podcast airs.
David Peterson: But that'll be fun, because at least you'll know when your last day is.
Jessie Sams: Right right first of the month is always a good day to go.
Okay.
Jessie Sams: Alright, so i'm going to share the screen for.
Jessie Sams: For working purposes, and also for the video which will eventually.
Jessie Sams: Be on YouTube because, at some point we're going to finish with the possum language and so at some point we will be moving on.
Jessie Sams: And so I feel like we're we're nearing that point ish.
Jessie Sams: yeah but every time I say that we have eight more things to do so yeah we'll see we'll see.
Jessie Sams: Okay, so as of last time, so we are we're actually going to use today as the final day of we think.
Jessie Sams: We think it's the final day of this language sketch.
Jessie Sams: At the very least it's going to be the last one, for now, unless I guess, a lot of requests are made for something specific that people want to see.
Jessie Sams: But, in general, this is our last planned episode for this language sketch, and so essentially we're just going to be wrapping up, and I say wrapping up talking about tone, because we did actually hit tone last time it took us to the third episode of the language sketch to hit tone.
Jessie Sams: But we did, and we incorporated some tone, we only made it through three of the roots, and so I thought it may be good to start out with applying tone.
Jessie Sams: To some more roots to not only remind ourselves and our listeners how tone was being applied, but also to get these modern forms flushed out and to then move the discussion on to register tone and how it can be used in grammatical ways so that's where we're headed today.
Jessie Sams: and David you have any comments before we jump in.
David Peterson: A I have a concern because I thought to make things a little simpler, I would just type out I would finish out these romanization notes.
David Peterson: And you know we were being so clever with the oh with the two dots over it, and then having the two lines over it, but then, how do we put an acute accent over it, oh my God, I really, really want chucky cheese pizza right now.
Jessie Sams: So as you're thinking about that Why would we.
Jessie Sams: create an acute accent.
David Peterson: it's past we've been needed for falling tone.
David Peterson: However, I suppose it is, it is an open question if we will ever get falling tone on the value.
Jessie Sams: Right, but the acute accent isn't the acute accent, the one that goes up and you've already done that.
David Peterson: Sir complex accent.
Jessie Sams: There we go Thank you.
David Peterson: What I said and you.
heard.
Jessie Sams: Sir conflicts in acute in my dialect do get perceived as the same word.
Jessie Sams: Because it's obviously.
Jessie Sams: dialectical differences are all about perception and not production.
David Peterson: You must need midwesterners in your dialectical differences.
Jessie Sams: But only in perception.
Jessie Sams: So that is a really good question i'm guessing there is no double Sir complex.
Jessie Sams: situation.
David Peterson: And it wouldn't even make any sense now like, it is an interesting question if we'd ever get the EU with a falling tone, but assuming that we will let's just go ahead and use combined I don't I don't like it.
David Peterson: i'm not a fan of it.
David Peterson: But I will do it nonetheless so.
David Peterson: Oh wow.
Jessie Sams: There we go.
Jessie Sams: yeah i'm glad that I think only you are in focus, while you're talking when the screen is being shared, which is a good thing, because I just poured water down.
David Peterson: On bullies.
David Peterson: And I missed it.
Jessie Sams: you're like trying to wipe.
David Peterson: As I was looking for combining diet critics that sounds honestly.
David Peterson: Really on point for me.
Jessie Sams: It sounds really on point for me to that, I would just spill water as i'm trying to take a drink because it's like in my adult life I have forgotten how to drink, out of a water bottle.
David Peterson: yeah and in my adult life, I am the person who is like you know yeah like whoa that hot chick just totally squirted water all over herself and i'm like i'm trying to find combining diet critics in the unicode right now Okay, a little busy.
Jessie Sams: how's it going for you.
David Peterson: Well, I found one of them.
David Peterson: it's not even centered properly over the character, I hate it.
Jessie Sams: But it's.
Jessie Sams: The same it's the same for the ash above it because I don't think the ashes fully centered as it, with the accent.
David Peterson: Now i'm seeing that too.
Jessie Sams: Oh sorry, did you never noticed that.
David Peterson: No, I didn't notice.
Jessie Sams: Oh you're welcome.
David Peterson: mm hmm Okay, so that is the combining a huge accent, but I don't see the combining Sir complex accent, the one I just tried wasn't combining.
Jessie Sams: So.
Jessie Sams: In terms of combining.
Jessie Sams: Are you looking at a unicode per unit, while that came out a little bit weird a unicode you know insert character kind of directory.
Jessie Sams: To try to find what you're looking for okay.
Jessie Sams: So this is by the way for people who are trying to decide on some romanization systems, one of the problems with doing diet critics is that.
Jessie Sams: Some keyboards you're going to have to actually get really, really into actually developing your own keyboard to make it do what you want, without having to insert characters every time because.
Jessie Sams: Like, for instance, the shortcut for the lout on a MAC keyboard works wonderfully if you have a bell typed after the little you know dead key combo for the low.
Jessie Sams: But if you want it to be say over a Y or another letter, it does not work and so you'd have to figure out ways to work around that so that is something to keep in mind.
Jessie Sams: If you're doing diet critics, especially if you're going to be doing any other special characters and, of course, our American keyboards believe that the.
Jessie Sams: Is a special character, making it more difficult to insert exactly how you want to type and it's always always frustrating when you're trying to just type in your content and you have to go to the stupid unicode picker every time.
David Peterson: I really liked how you said, let her.
David Peterson: Like you to do that from now on.
Jessie Sams: Because I said it with the tea.
David Peterson: Yes, I did, yes, you did left her that was.
Jessie Sams: Sometimes.
Jessie Sams: Sometimes that's just how it comes out i'm like.
David Peterson: it's like there should be.
David Peterson: It feels like there should be like a combining a cute accent I a critic right.
Jessie Sams: I mean I I guess.
Jessie Sams: I don't know that the circle circle FLEX you said a cute again by the way.
David Peterson: gosh darn it.
David Peterson: i'm can't believe.
David Peterson: And I wasn't going to call you out.
Jessie Sams: I wasn't gonna call you out on it, but.
Jessie Sams: Then I did yeah.
Jessie Sams: And I was also looking through, I am not see.
Jessie Sams: Anything are you are you sure this is the route, you want to take, and that you don't want to.
David Peterson: Binding Sir complex oxen boom there it is.
Jessie Sams: cool i'll just copy and paste from there, find nita.
David Peterson: yeah really.
David Peterson: But yeah with me and acute answer complex It reminds me of a movie that both of us have seen and have memorized for Monty Python and the Holy Grail and Arthur being very confused by the numbers, three and five she keeps mixing up.
David Peterson: This time I was watching.
Jessie Sams: I know, which is why I managed to drink like a normal person again i'm.
David Peterson: good job on it, but, by the way, like.
Jessie Sams: Three cakes you, you know.
Jessie Sams: People should be more congratulatory yeah but.
Jessie Sams: You have a straw that's really cheating.
Jessie Sams: gotta sometimes it's good to play it fast and loose.
David Peterson: A little baby you bite it and then you suck oh.
Jessie Sams: wow you are in a mood today.
David Peterson: But I like it.
Jessie Sams: um Okay, so we have already applied tone now obviously that one's going to change, are you going to change it, or do you want me to copy and paste it like I already have it highlighted.
David Peterson: yeah your your way faster than I am go for it.
Jessie Sams: I have a feeling this just means you're going to replace it at the same time, I do so, then everything gets around um.
David Peterson: You do it go ahead.
Jessie Sams: Alright, so what we have done is we have changed the oh with a double blind you know the uhm not stretching up in the acute accent with a double line.
Jessie Sams: We have changed that to the the the oh with a slash through it, with just a regular a Q accent on it and that's how we're going to Roma nice stuff form.
David Peterson: mm hmm.
Jessie Sams: Was that a good description, I was trying not to use, like any technical terms too much in case people don't know what these letters look like.
Jessie Sams: Because you're going to be hearing this for the first time, and so I want to make sure that you can hear.
Jessie Sams: And really know what we mean.
David Peterson: The technical terms aren't really much different right, so the oh with a diagnosis is replaced with a slash with an acute accent, I mean.
David Peterson: Well, I guess the rss we could call it out.
David Peterson: I really wish they weren't two terms for that.
Jessie Sams: You can also call it, it got.
Jessie Sams: With the finger motion.
David Peterson: um I like how are you can hear that finger motion.
David Peterson: Exactly, by the way, what is.
David Peterson: so loud right afterwards.
Jessie Sams: yeah.
David Peterson: You have been loud about East versus versus know.
Jessie Sams: isn't it.
Jessie Sams: I now have to look that up hey you you walk us through how souk is going to get tone.
David Peterson: You have somebody gets what that's a reference to.
Jessie Sams: Around not on I was thinking.
Jessie Sams: Because I was.
Jessie Sams: Anyway, yeah around.
David Peterson: Around Oh, the eka oh right.
David Peterson: The heck Does that mean, so what is loud.
David Peterson: And around sound.
Jessie Sams: I mean.
David Peterson: yeah whoa.
Jessie Sams: Because it's around that letter it's not quite in oh it's around.
David Peterson: who's having a bad Internet is your May.
Jessie Sams: Oh, I really hope it's not me it's my screen.
Jessie Sams: way I could still hear you the whole time so.
Jessie Sams: we're good.
David Peterson: Oh that's good so, is it is it that means like literally round round us in a circle.
Jessie Sams: No, I was gonna say oh round right so it's like a round to you, but it's not quite a you.
David Peterson: Ah.
Jessie Sams: Like I have no idea if that's right, I was actually.
Jessie Sams: Trying to make a bit of a joke, and it may be right, but like.
David Peterson: Does this enough I.
David Peterson: Have a dusty snitched i'm yeah.
Jessie Sams: Exactly.
David Peterson: There you go disappearing again yeah well at least you can hear me, but now i'm not going to hear what you had to say, as a result.
Jessie Sams: Such an excellent so.
David Peterson: Such a bummer okay.
David Peterson: So see you.
David Peterson: With the sunset plus one hi.
Jessie Sams: yeah this is interesting, because we have I.
Jessie Sams: don't know if David can hear me again, and this could be a fun thing, where we both talk at the same time.
Jessie Sams: This one is interesting because it starts within you know, a consonant clusters, this is our first consonant cluster at the beginning, we have that S, oh no oh we're still writing an IPA I was like wait, how would.
Jessie Sams: An IPA we have the sj combo, which is a CEO.
David Peterson: it's going to become shoe and it's going to be high schoo.
Jessie Sams: Why didn't we already do that if that's what it's going to become.
David Peterson: I don't know but i'm looking at chap over here.
David Peterson: Is we have chappie remember that movie I didn't see it did you see it.
Jessie Sams: I don't know what you're talking about so i'm.
Jessie Sams: Just really.
David Peterson: Well, I only ever saw the commercials for chappie, but I just I just immediately and aggressively water to make fun of it and so.
David Peterson: All of my friends started making fun of chappie.
David Peterson: it's a robot.
David Peterson: I am happy.
Jessie Sams: side note.
Jessie Sams: We.
Jessie Sams: Never formalize that rule.
David Peterson: Did we.
Jessie Sams: Do we did not way we have dip song simplification, where the I becomes the J and the you becomes a w and they occur, is the first Member of a depth on so that's how we got the J and for instance souk came from seek with it, the full I and tmp came, you know because it had the I ash.
Jessie Sams: David is adding a rule and deciding how that's gonna work.
Jessie Sams: So we're adding a palatable ization comma I guess rural because we do have prp becoming chappie but souk states UK and not shoot.
Jessie Sams: Which is interesting, I don't even know i'm going to well david's typing that.
Jessie Sams: Did we even have the ash, yes, we did we did say that we have that power little ash.
Jessie Sams: interesting.
Jessie Sams: And we also have the nda as a side note so i'm guessing that.
Jessie Sams: Oh yes, any alveoli will become palatable or post lb other when they occur before a che.
Jessie Sams: Is what Hebrew.
David Peterson: Except that it's not going to occur before Jay because then I guess the J disappears like so you'd write two rules it's just the sequence.
Jessie Sams: Like the whole secret oh yeah yeah so the whole sequence.
David Peterson: yeah, this is a really professional role, possibly the most professional i've ever written.
David Peterson: And it's a and it's going to here on out be called the the big rule the pig rule politicization I guess.
Jessie Sams: and
Jessie Sams: By the way, for people who can't see the screen he wrote evidently our feelers become pallet or post out feelers when they occur before J dot dot dot question mark.
Jessie Sams: That is indeed.
David Peterson: There we go.
Jessie Sams: And he has inserted aka and then a pig emoji after the rule name, and so, that is, that is, it that's our pig rule.
Jessie Sams: yeah cool, so we have.
Jessie Sams: Well, I don't know why did you make the.
Jessie Sams: Why did the K disappear.
David Peterson: And it makes sense because pigs always make that you know sound.
David Peterson: You know.
David Peterson: doesn't that sound like pigs on the farm.
Jessie Sams: No.
Jessie Sams: Also, the, should we not.
David Peterson: Have it ending K just know.
David Peterson: Like my God.
Jessie Sams: Why did you hear me you're like okay.
David Peterson: Because the.
David Peterson: Because of this, that i'm highlighting on page 13.
Jessie Sams: Good call David.
Jessie Sams: I was just making sure David was paying attention to the rules reboot reboot I can't do w's and ours together last time.
Jessie Sams: we're voiceless stop coders create a high tone trace and then disappear, so the K indeed would disappear.
Jessie Sams: Now we have four completely different routes.
Jessie Sams: Leaving high tones.
Jessie Sams: This will be interesting let's see if we Oh, I think we're going to have a low tone here in one moment because lamb has a voice onset which is low tone and then we have a voice kota which is double low tone.
David Peterson: And then essence plus one, and that leaves a.
Jessie Sams: A.
Jessie Sams: One for low tone.
David Peterson: lamb.
David Peterson: Nice shoe lamb.
David Peterson: This could be a song shoot.
Jessie Sams: You got to start at the beginning now because we have you know we've got say all five words and around.
Jessie Sams: That wasn't our first set shoe the lamb.
Jessie Sams: Anyway, though.
Jessie Sams: That was not our first little chunk so we did have a low tone on the first syllable of on Z.
David Peterson: And I did I said, if I know I did the onset of the ash what was that about.
David Peterson: it's a river possum showing.
Jessie Sams: Up know it Okay, so the next one is going to be like shoe right.
Jessie Sams: Except we're going to end with sweat in high tone because it's got the S, which is plus high tone for the voiceless consonant onset it's got a voice oh stop kota which is high tone and it's one syllable so it has that stress so it's like the re.
Jessie Sams: For swear.
David Peterson: It.
David Peterson: is a pretty cool sounding language, who wears we have no bed and see in shoe lamb swear.
David Peterson: like it.
Jessie Sams: Right well saying no.
Jessie Sams: That is.
Jessie Sams: going to come out with I believe a high than a.
David Peterson: yeah I think so.
David Peterson: And we're still going to start with Axa.
Jessie Sams: Yes.
David Peterson: Okay, all right.
Jessie Sams: and
Jessie Sams: Right, so the opening I don't think we have any questions about, but the new the closing.
Jessie Sams: is low tone because unstressed syllable have a plus one for a low tone.
Jessie Sams: And then there's there's no kota or anything, it has that voice consonant on set that in.
Jessie Sams: So that's a little town so.
Jessie Sams: that's how that came about and I think from there, we can go ahead and just guess that, sadly, is going to turn out the exact same way, because it's the same pattern.
David Peterson: Sadly.
Jessie Sams: So it's always fun when you start to really figure out the patterns, so you can move more quickly, as you assign towns.
David Peterson: help.
David Peterson: US English, which.
Jessie Sams: Are the modern.
Jessie Sams: Are you really going to leave the session the modern form and not do sh okay yeah there we go.
Jessie Sams: He had he had an edge there and I want everybody to know that.
Jessie Sams: In the Roman nice for him, he had an edge until.
David Peterson: Just like ladies.
David Peterson: Right.
David Peterson: You grew up on a farm you know, it was a little piggies.
Jessie Sams: Just because I now live in what I am is probably almost kind of yeah considered a farm doesn't mean I grew up on a farm.
Jessie Sams: Having.
Jessie Sams: Having gardens is not the same as far.
David Peterson: I mean you grew up in a farm amongst all the animals.
Jessie Sams: You had here just.
David Peterson: Say pigs that you named and grew up with them.
And then slide.
Jessie Sams: was not part of charlotte's Web.
Jessie Sams: That didn't happen um.
David Peterson: So we.
Add.
Jessie Sams: Just as a as a reminder for me, we were assigning stress to the penultimate syllable correct.
David Peterson: yeah it feels like something I do so, probably.
Jessie Sams: Because I asked because we're now on a three syllable route.
Jessie Sams: And so we needed to figure out.
Jessie Sams: Where that tone would be.
Jessie Sams: Because stress obviously plays a role in assignment and so David go ahead and say that word for us our modern form.
David Peterson: Well, at the moment it's Kali, but I am not not actually sure about that first syllable it doesn't have a code as zero it doesn't have an onset that's zero it's unstressed so that's a negative one.
David Peterson: I guess that's it then.
yeah.
Jessie Sams: This in what's interesting we don't have a single falling down yet so we don't have any ties, yet, and so the middle syllable which received stress at that high tone trace for the stress it had a high tone trace because of the voiceless consonant onset and then we.
Jessie Sams: Just like the new in the lead from the words above too low tone traces.
yeah.
David Peterson: So this one's gonna be the same.
David Peterson: way we gotta.
know.
Jessie Sams: Are we going to have our first falling zone.
David Peterson: um.
Jessie Sams: Because this word is shampoo.
Jessie Sams: yeah and who.
Jessie Sams: Is unstressed so it's plus one for low so you'd say minus one right.
Jessie Sams: And then it's got the P, which is a voiceless.
Jessie Sams: onset which is plus one for high put them together their time, so we have our first falling down.
David Peterson: Is that how we were doing falling down.
Jessie Sams: yeah they tied.
David Peterson: Really.
David Peterson: But yeah sound like something I would have agreed to.
David Peterson: it's.
Jessie Sams: Literally what you came up with.
David Peterson: Did we write that down anywhere specifically.
Jessie Sams: Can you tell me when we would have a falling phone then.
David Peterson: When when a low tone and a high to got stranded on the same maura.
Jessie Sams: Can you explain what you mean by that.
David Peterson: For example, if there was a consonant that was lost in between the vowels like merged.
David Peterson: Or if later on during the process of your grammatical ization some suffix you know disappear phonological material disappeared enough that the tone that was stranded there ended up merging with the previous maura.
Jessie Sams: And so I want to read you should the high tone influences went out the syllable will have hi TIM, should the low tone influences went out the syllable will have low tone in the event of a tie the syllable will take a falling down.
David Peterson: That sounds like my writing.
Jessie Sams: We do this i'm reading it from ages 13 to 14 and you know it's you because you know I wouldn't start a sentence with should.
Jessie Sams: So.
David Peterson: hmm.
David Peterson: I mean you would under different different circumstances.
David Peterson: For.
David Peterson: Sure, I mean, for example, like.
David Peterson: Like a question, if you were writing in your diary.
David Peterson: Should I spend this afternoon with the pigs, or should I spend it with the codes.
Jessie Sams: always choose goats.
David Peterson: Because they make different sounds goats with their with their characteristic objectives but up at.
David Peterson: All the pigs doing there.
David Peterson: And the goats, you know with our APP.
Jessie Sams: let's do the next one.
Jessie Sams: Which is a two syllable and i'm still struggling with my objectives, but at P, with a an objective K, and right now i'm laughing too hard to control.
David Peterson: Just hold your breath just hold your breath.
Jessie Sams: So the APP is going to.
Jessie Sams: Take a high tone, since the stress syllable it's the first syllable and it has no onset or kota to do anything else, and then that second syllable is going to be the same as the syllable we had just talked about in Chapel and so it's going to be a falling town.
Jessie Sams: So.
Jessie Sams: yeah can we.
Jessie Sams: do that again.
David Peterson: So we have a pool, and he.
Jessie Sams: That sounded wonderful the next word, by the way, is exactly the same.
Jessie Sams: And I believe we were trying to test something here because roots are very similar but it's going to come out with the same pattern because it's instead of an e at the end of the word it's just the a sound and so okay.
David Peterson: Great.
David Peterson: No, no, like the first time that you just did it that was great what are you get off saying like Okay, so do you think that was great that was great river possum you gotta.
David Peterson: You gotta give yourself more credit that was perfect and you can.
David Peterson: You can go and review the recording after this is done and verify that i'm not just saying that you did that perfectly you can do it no more.
David Peterson: No more this Jesse can't sing.
Jessie Sams: there's a difference between can't and shouldn't there's just just want to say.
David Peterson: i'm fine.
David Peterson: Like What do you mean shouldn't who are you hurting.
Jessie Sams: All the ears so.
David Peterson: When bay.
Jessie Sams: Is our next word and we have a voice on set for low tone, we have a.
Jessie Sams: voice kota for a low tone so to for low tone, it is the stress syllable which is at one for high tone, but the two for low tone wins out so we're going to start this word on a low tone and we're actually going to all ended on a.
Jessie Sams: high tone, I believe.
Jessie Sams: Instead of low tone, why is Z item Oh, because of the tea at the end nevermind sorry i'm.
Jessie Sams: Bay is the second syllable so it's got the voice on set and it's unstressed, and so it is live.
David Peterson: yeah babies, though.
Jessie Sams: Are we sure.
David Peterson: Are eBay.
David Peterson: When they.
Jessie Sams: Are we sure we were assigning stress.
Jessie Sams: On the.
Jessie Sams: Oh, my gosh.
Jessie Sams: yeah.
Jessie Sams: We should really read our own rules that we have written words ending and consonants are stressed finally words ending and bells are stressed on the penultimate.
Jessie Sams: that's why.
Jessie Sams: I know, but I was looking at and Z and trying to figure out why in the world that ended in a high tone when that.
Jessie Sams: You know.
Jessie Sams: I was just trying to figure that out in my head.
Jessie Sams: And I must have that's, why are you.
Jessie Sams: wish many we're here she's here business right here.
Jessie Sams: So our next word is new chair.
Jessie Sams: Okay i'm gonna start typing you go for it.
David Peterson: Okay.
Jessie Sams: This is going to require ash with something i'm sure, so that.
that's good anyone.
David Peterson: So it's not a tie.
Jessie Sams: We have a voice on set plus low tone know kota so no tone trace there and it's stress so plus items, so it is indeed a tie.
Jessie Sams: So our first syllable new will be falling and then check should be falling as well.
Jessie Sams: As it's a voiceless with high tone, but unstressed lodestone.
whoa.
David Peterson: whoa.
Jessie Sams: So just when I thought we're never going to have a falling so because you know everything nothing's coming out as a time we have a word with to falling sounds.
David Peterson: This language is NUTS no town Oh, my goodness.
Jessie Sams: makes me want to keep doing this language.
David Peterson: Okay who's who's this for did we did we say it was for a certain animal group are we just doing it.
Jessie Sams: just doing it because people had questions about tone and where it comes from, and so this whole thing was an experiment and showing where Tom can come from.
David Peterson: fascinating OK.
Jessie Sams: The next word is he got and stresses on the final syllable that ends in a K.
Jessie Sams: Therefore, the opening syllable in is going to be low Tom because it's unstressed and has a voice kota.
Jessie Sams: The guff syllable is going to be high tone, because even though it starts with the voice kota or voice onset rather you start with the kota it starts with a voice on set giving it a low tone trace it ends up.
Jessie Sams: With stress, which leaves a high tone trace and another high contrast for that voiceless stop kota that disappears.
David Peterson: So we get.
again.
Jessie Sams: Yes, we do.
David Peterson: yeah.
Jessie Sams: And then time.
Jessie Sams: Has stress voiceless too high, and only one low for that voice kota so it's gonna be kind I.
David Peterson: got it got it.
David Peterson: fairly simple right.
Jessie Sams: It should be high low right.
Jessie Sams: yeah.
Jessie Sams: Yes, following everything we've done that seems about right, and then we have kind of.
Jessie Sams: Where we added a syllable again doing some sort of test of one of our rules and so.
Jessie Sams: And now, this is interesting, also as a side note if you're doing tone and as you're Reminiscing if you're marking the tone somehow.
Jessie Sams: Through diet critics, if you have a dip song you do need to decide how you're going to be marking that.
Jessie Sams: David has it marked with to acute absence of so it's over both the the a the I the word khaimah so you get to those accidents to show that it's the full depth.
Jessie Sams: And so.
Jessie Sams: yeah that's just also something to consider in terms of like yeah that sounds could be special.
David Peterson: yeah you could also decide that the acute accident was only going to fall on the major like nucleus, which would be the off.
David Peterson: And you could also just Roman eyes it differently so rather than having the depth on being a I, it would be a why or something that like that, and then you just naturally only put the acute accent on the.
David Peterson: I just this this works fine so okay.
Jessie Sams: So we now have all modern forms of our language with tone and now that we have these tones the question now shifts to how would tone be.
Jessie Sams: affected by grammar because we had said that the register tones would also be a role in in some grammatical things and so i'm going to hand this over to David to chats about that connection.
David Peterson: Thank you Jesse so.
Welcome
David Peterson: Go ahead we're washing.
Jessie Sams: Not everybody's watching, because if you recall in this view, only the speaker is shown so everybody else would have missed the fact that I was taking a drink of water, except for you.
David Peterson: huh Okay, you did you did well.
Jessie Sams: Thank you, thank you.
I do it again.
David Peterson: So the first thing that comes to mind is.
David Peterson: It would be fun.
David Peterson: To get some tonal changes with with with grammar.
David Peterson: And to me the most obvious and easy way to do that is having a very simple suffix and this suffix could will have a voice of stopping it and it will be a voice will stop when applied to words that end in a vow and it will be this vc you know vow plus whistle stop.
David Peterson: When it's a attitude, where that ends in a consonant this is going to do a number of interesting things and so on, the document i'm actually just going to put these in parentheses after that so.
David Peterson: let's just say.
David Peterson: Jesse what's your favorite voiceless stop that we have.
David Peterson: Okay got it and what value, you want to go with it.
Jessie Sams: Oh wow is he, like are the letter E so okay.
David Peterson: No, not in that direction, it was vc db.
David Peterson: Make but.
David Peterson: It also you're going to I think recall that we do not have that fell in the protocol.
Jessie Sams: Oh, do not have it in the promo.
David Peterson: know our vows are eat.
David Peterson: On a.
David Peterson: choose one of those.
Jessie Sams: um.
Jessie Sams: it's gonna be the central Schwab.
David Peterson: Of course you got to make it difficult alright.
David Peterson: So let me just quickly remind myself what happens to swap.
David Peterson: Besides me.
David Peterson: deleted yeah.
Jessie Sams: Would it be better if I said no.
Jessie Sams: Even often when it would need to be equal and I just okay let's go with you.
David Peterson: I don't know hang on hang on i'm getting those vows Schwab becomes a after front balls are after back balls and a when it's by it's one so okay that that's good that's good I like which I like it.
David Peterson: I like it okay okay so parentheses let's go from top to bottom, we have a word and the proto form button.
David Peterson: And here i'm just going to do it like this.
David Peterson: In in the pro stage of the language, it would have been been plus UK.
David Peterson: Because that's the that's the the inherent Val it's the the root ends with a consonant so we add buck, and that is going to become.
David Peterson: A lay wait.
David Peterson: No, no, because i'll tell you why so the stress is going to shift to the final syllable.
David Peterson: And that final syllable is going to get a high tone it's going to have to the valley is going to become a because there's nothing to make it off.
David Peterson: So it's going to become a the K is going to disappear we're going to end so we're left with the final syllable of late with a high tone.
David Peterson: The first syllable, though, is no longer stressed, so it gets plus one from the p it gets minus one from the fact that it's unstressed it no longer has a quota.
David Peterson: And so.
David Peterson: Whatever this is and again this is just a bit of morphology so this could be a verb or a noun this could be tense aspect number case doesn't matter.
David Peterson: The base form is Ben with a high tone and it's inflected for him is going to become a la.
David Peterson: Falling tone plus high tone.
Jessie Sams: Oh, my gosh that's like super cool.
David Peterson: So just wait because there's gonna be a lot of fun stuff like that, as we go on, but yeah go ahead i'm just gonna start.
Jessie Sams: was just gonna say like.
Maybe.
Jessie Sams: Maybe we should focus on some different word shapes because that was a CBC syllable in the root form and, of course, David then went to the next one, which.
Jessie Sams: Is a two syllable form which gives us, of course, more to work with so in the proto form i'm seat so i'm in the first syllable seat okay.
Jessie Sams: turned into and Z but now, with the.
David Peterson: So that don't pronounce.
David Peterson: It yet.
David Peterson: Because we need to figure out the tones, this is what the form is so first of all, the one interesting thing is that you are getting the reintroduction of these consonants that got killed.
David Peterson: So the proto form was was unseat and the modern form was nz.
David Peterson: And there's just no way to tell that there was a consonant at the end, but now due to the suffix the consonant is reappearing that has nothing to do with tone it's just basically the old dead consonant trend for those who remember.
David Peterson: My old web series.
David Peterson: So now we just need to figure out what tones are the only difference is that that second syllable no longer has the high tone that was once associated with stress, so I believe the first syllable is the same and nothing's changed second syllable.
Jessie Sams: Is.
Jessie Sams: It will be total motown.
David Peterson: Well that's actually where we need to ask the question, where does where is 200 reduced because was its onset voiceless at the time that tone was assigned or was it's onset voiced.
Jessie Sams: That.
Jessie Sams: is a very good question um and.
Jessie Sams: We after had been.
Jessie Sams: Oh yeah we actually we ordered these of course, we did.
David Peterson: We did I don't know if we were thinking about it, but this is what place where our two rules actually come into conflict, depending on how you order them.
David Peterson: So if previously, we had said, like the ordering wasn't important yet so we just put it somewhere now it's important and here's why, if.
David Peterson: If Tony genesis happens after post nasal voicing, which is what is written right now than it is absolutely as Jesse said, this is a 100% low to and syllable.
David Peterson: If, however, ton of Jeunesse has happened before post nasal voicing you actually have a tie, because you have a voice on set which.
David Peterson: leaves a high tone trace and you have an unstressed syllable which leaves a low tone trace, which means that that middle syllable will become falling down, which is interesting, but let's go ahead and stick with the order that we have.
Jessie Sams: Right, I do want to point out, though, that the ordering of our rules means that I think we have to revisit.
Jessie Sams: We embed.
Jessie Sams: Because when bay.
Jessie Sams: existed, because the initial syllable was a.
Jessie Sams: was a dip song you I did on.
Jessie Sams: However.
Jessie Sams: When I was looking at assigning tone I counted the w, but we should not be because to.
David Peterson: own.
Jessie Sams: Life before the dip song is simplified and becomes.
Jessie Sams: A w, so we need to look at that syllable lean as being a vowel sequence and not having an onset at all, which means stress is one for high tone voice kota one for low tone, so it needs to be a falling tone.
Jessie Sams: Excellent that should be that, and that should be the only one that's affected because all of our other dip songs that were simplified had an onset.
Jessie Sams: With yeah so that should be the only one that we need to change.
David Peterson: Okay, so yeah very good catch and that's changed all right.
David Peterson: And we still have.
David Peterson: We still should have like 10 minutes, by the way, so hopefully we can get through all if not most, if not all of these.
David Peterson: And this.
Jessie Sams: By the way, whenever you do these kinds of Ivan and I know that.
Jessie Sams: Any experience you have with evolving proto forms into the modern and you're doing it all just by your own head working through all of the patterns yeah there will definitely be times, you have to go back and revisit to figure out.
Jessie Sams: If you made any mistakes, just like that.
David Peterson: So this is another one like like bill which become became Pele same thing, which in turn is going to be come to me and my goodness that does not like to be I tell a size that looks terrible.
David Peterson: that's.
Jessie Sams: yeah it's unfortunate, however, it sounds freaking awesome.
David Peterson: Are you like it okay.
Jessie Sams: yeah do you think it sounds cool.
David Peterson: I think it sounds cool, but it was like that's so ugly that it makes me want to get rid of the Veil.
Jessie Sams: Because of the earth atrophy not because the sound.
David Peterson: Because of the feminization.
Jessie Sams: Yes, yes.
assistant.
David Peterson: I kid like it, just in case I get a lot, but just so you know Jesse and I are full partners so.
David Peterson: That is how it is.
David Peterson: And i'm grateful that Jesse puts up with my bullshit.
Jessie Sams: i'm so glad this is recorded.
David Peterson: The evidence of it are.
David Peterson: You gonna cut it out before posting a podcast but you know.
Jessie Sams: Not at all.
Jessie Sams: So our original proto form on this next word see you, it has that dip song, so you.
Jessie Sams: became shoe in a high tone, but with the addition of the suffix we're getting a couple changes here because we're going to be bringing back the consonant that have been deleted that K, at the end of soup which disappeared, just like in seat.
Jessie Sams: So that K comes back.
Jessie Sams: And yeah I believe you're right that will be falling tone.
David Peterson: yeah so it's gonna be the same as badly and it will be soon okay sorry she Okay, no, no.
Jessie Sams: No he checked it.
David Peterson: yeah.
Jessie Sams: you're welcome it.
David Peterson: is going to stay low.
Jessie Sams: So there's.
David Peterson: going to.
Jessie Sams: Be ash vs distinction.
David Peterson: I don't remember.
Jessie Sams: Okay now.
Jessie Sams: That has to do with.
Jessie Sams: Whether there was a huge bueller.
Jessie Sams: Because you've learned feeler merged, and so it.
Jessie Sams: That had to do.
Jessie Sams: With that, instead, I was just double.
David Peterson: Checking I think because.
Jessie Sams: My brain was on.
Jessie Sams: My brain was on a Gala and you know how stress played a role, and so I was like to, we need to change that.
David Peterson: No it's good to check it's good to check so that's me.
David Peterson: that's good.
David Peterson: Now we have slots.
David Peterson: And so that will be spotty yeah.
Jessie Sams: It should be it's gonna follow the same issue.
Jessie Sams: That is good.
David Peterson: It looks a little bit better I tell us is just not.
Jessie Sams: I you know I don't have a problem with any of the italicize forms that we have up here.
David Peterson: You had a you had a problem with I tella sized ash didn't share.
Jessie Sams: Because it wasn't I tell us, I, so I did not have a problem with the I tell us is form, if it were actually I tell a size.
David Peterson: Eight that was its form of I tell us ization see.
David Peterson: Then the person, if you agree.
Jessie Sams: The person who created this font should really make that skinnier.
David Peterson: They are bold italicized okay oh here here's a good example of where we're having a change because we have a form that ends in a vowel so sinew is coming sinew which is going to change the stress.
David Peterson: And so it's going to become.
David Peterson: So.
David Peterson: so sad new is becoming cynical.
David Peterson: And it is purely a tonal change.
Jessie Sams: hey.
David Peterson: yeah, so this is a I know that this was one of the things that people were curious about.
David Peterson: And so, hopefully, like in and and, by the way, we're going to put out the with the podcast now that once this one is done in an heiress will put up a PDF right.
David Peterson: yeah yeah so.
David Peterson: But if you're.
Jessie Sams: Doing that every time.
David Peterson: it's yeah.
David Peterson: But it's like here's a place where, if you were wondering how can you possibly create a situation where.
David Peterson: Only tone change and then there's been a grammatical change well there's one we had a word with a high low pattern that changes to a falling high pattern.
David Peterson: And effects, a grammatical change again we didn't specify which one, but that is it and you can see it's totally based on the phonology and it's very explicable if you look into the history of the language.
David Peterson: But otherwise you just look at it and it's like wow that's nothing but changing town, and I think that you're going to see the same thing in this next word.
Jessie Sams: yeah I was just gonna say cuz our next route is sadly and it follows the same pattern as sinew and so yeah we'll see the exact same thing, where, sadly, sadly, with a as it's like a love ashes until I need to say them out loud.
Jessie Sams: it's going to change to falling highs so without any other surface indications.
David Peterson: There we go.
David Peterson: alright.
Jessie Sams: Next, words are quite exciting.
David Peterson: Yes, this is pretty cool I really like this if if we don't use this language, we should just steal this process that we did here for something else.
Jessie Sams: wasn't one of them supposed to have tone, one of our longtime official languages.
Jessie Sams: Or was it just that you had said it could work for some reason, a mouse.
David Peterson: The mouse one.
David Peterson: We could do it with the mouse language, we could do it with the mouse language, because it was initially it was going to be like a revamped version of my language in JAMA, which was a which had checkups and tone.
David Peterson: could do that do that.
Jessie Sams: Well, that says objectives in town, maybe we just started.
Jessie Sams: A miniature form of what could be a mouse language.
David Peterson: Okay, and then double checking on us, and so we have cali and that should be, I think.
David Peterson: No, because this one has So there we go.
David Peterson: There we go so early becomes a cali.
David Peterson: that's cool.
David Peterson: let's see what happens to chappie.
Jessie Sams: otherwise known as Chapel I.
David Peterson: Have you have to look up the just the commercial that's all.
David Peterson: and
David Peterson: same deal.
David Peterson: So it's.
David Peterson: Chapel and it's now going to become.
David Peterson: Sorry.
David Peterson: i'm sorry Chapel not not not checked it.
David Peterson: wow the tones actually swap it goes from falling hi oh my God is so much fun.
David Peterson: Okay.
David Peterson: I really hope that everybody thinks is that the payoff was worth it, because I, so do.
Jessie Sams: This is so cool so, but then that's going to happen to the next two words as well because it's high falling and they follow the same basic patterns right.
David Peterson: No, this is going to be low.
Jessie Sams: Low because it doesn't have the onset which.
Jessie Sams: yeah gives it the extra.
Jessie Sams: Point toward the high tone side.
Jessie Sams: Nice so Okay, so at key become low high so instead of high falling it's low high.
Jessie Sams: which will happen to the next word as well because it's the same word, but with a different value at the end.
David Peterson: yep so a key and a K.
David Peterson: We move away let's see what happens to this guy.
Jessie Sams: That one's gonna be it's gonna be low.
Jessie Sams: For the first syllable and then high for the second right.
David Peterson: Yes, low.
David Peterson: And then high, but we need to say yes, that that's what that one's going to be so it goes from being there to win bet.
David Peterson: But we need to go back to.
David Peterson: A couple of these.
David Peterson: And I will tell you why.
David Peterson: shook.
David Peterson: It should actually it shouldn't be too Okay, it should be sure haha remember, because the.
David Peterson: The swab becomes an R when the previous Val was back.
Jessie Sams: Right.
David Peterson: sand with well actually No, this is where we have the question, where does that happen, does it happen before or after a pushes to add.
Jessie Sams: Okay, so pushes to and rule number six.
David Peterson: Okay.
Jessie Sams: And in Rule number nine.
Jessie Sams: The Schwab becomes an af different vowels if that fails.
David Peterson: Okay, then, then that one stays the so this one has at, and so it stays same thing actually with swear that one also stays.
David Peterson: Because of when the rule happens, and then the rest of these are ending with vowels but yeah so, then this one.
David Peterson: it's like you have all these were the forum is a and this one, it just happens to be our that's kind of fun that's cool.
David Peterson: Yes, yeah and so it's a little bit it's a teeny little baby form of Val harmony.
David Peterson: And so you could actually just produce you could you could really lean into that and make suffixes so that it's more likely that you would see that.
David Peterson: And you can actually just invent Val harmony, where we have you know, would be the low forum and a would be the high form or I would be the back form and a would be the front for backs that's actually what it would be it'd be front back battle harmony not high low.
David Peterson: So that's pretty cool.
David Peterson: And let's do new.
David Peterson: And so that's going to be i'm.
David Peterson: gonna get a double low there so it's actually gonna be new.
David Peterson: And then yeah.
Jessie Sams: So that one, by the way, if you don't remember was our double falling town word, and now they now it's a low hi Tom.
David Peterson: yeah no, it becomes.
Jessie Sams: Pretty so we now have quite a few words were tone is the only distinguishing feature yeah.
David Peterson: So wild.
David Peterson: Okay, and this one has a boy scout masters it's pro form.
David Peterson: In this is actually getting the Schwab K suffix.
David Peterson: And so.
David Peterson: boy.
Jessie Sams: curiosity, when you copied and pasted that you chose the second instead of the first form in our list.
David Peterson: I sure did I sure did.
Jessie Sams: cool I was like Am I missing something about when we're putting the suffix on.
Jessie Sams: Okay.
Jessie Sams: Right, so this one we're going to be rescuing a consonant again so this definitely has a full.
Jessie Sams: suffix that you can see, on the surface, and on top of that, the sra is becoming an odd because of the little bell harmony bit because it's yeah and it becomes gaca.
David Peterson: And the reason that that second or the initial is staying as opposed to being pushed forward to as because in the protocol, and we had the queue.
David Peterson: And so that's what.
David Peterson: pulls it backwards and so then let's just double check the tones unstressed voice kota definitely low next one is we said this happens after the post nasal voicing so voiced onset unstressed definitely low so in gaga yep.
David Peterson: In gotten gaga cool oops.
David Peterson: Now three forms.
David Peterson: Oh.
David Peterson: Jesse knows something's going to happen i'm excited to see.
David Peterson: So this is going to be.
David Peterson: Okay, oh.
David Peterson: Oh, what is this going to become.
Jessie Sams: we've got so time is unstressed and it has a voice kota which means to low tone traces versus one high tone, so that opening syllable is definitely going to become low tone, the question is the Schwab.
Jessie Sams: yeah what is it going to.
Jessie Sams: harmonize with because we have a dip phone.
David Peterson: So we have the idea of songs So what does the shrine to.
David Peterson: that's a really good question.
David Peterson: And you can go one of two ways with that and say that the you know even within a dip thong usually one of the vowels is going to be the most prominent.
David Peterson: And in a dialogue like I it's no question that that fellas are, and so you could say that's the one that carries the day.
David Peterson: As I think to other languages, I don't get a lot of help because, for example in Finnish, which is the first one that comes to mind when you get these dip thongs.
David Peterson: is neutral, so you have both depth on I, and you have a depth on a and of course it's going to Roman eyes, with the the are the APP because he is neutral.
Jessie Sams: And of course you mean harmonize instead of Roma Nice.
David Peterson: Is that when I said.
David Peterson: Yes.
Jessie Sams: Thank you, sorry that's what you said.
David Peterson: Are you.
Jessie Sams: gonna have to go back and I will listen as soon as we're done recording I will say.
David Peterson: I really don't think I did I really don't think I did so we'll see if it turns out that I did, then you know, I guess, I really have to doubt my senses more, but if it turns out that I didn't, then you have to wear the pink shirt next time.
Jessie Sams: As if that's a punishment.
David Peterson: But his favorite color is p.
David Peterson: You got tons anyway, though you look at and pink so that'll be that'll be fine either way.
David Peterson: Okay, so um.
David Peterson: What, what do you think just just from the sound of it, what do you like the sound of better tiny guy ma.
Jessie Sams: So what's interesting is that my initial instinct.
Jessie Sams: Was the a sounded better, so I may.
Jessie Sams: And, but slowly because of where you end in the depth on in terms of, even though the is the more prominent you end in a front position.
Jessie Sams: And it just feels like with fell harmony you're going to want to.
Jessie Sams: move towards the position where you end rather than where you begin.
David Peterson: yeah.
David Peterson: I really I think that is sound reasoning, and I think that for Val harmony languages that do that that's why that's why they do it.
David Peterson: However, I don't think that you have to so if just for those listening, if you felt like you really wanted to go with guide ma I think there's justification for doing that I think either works.
David Peterson: But I think that's exactly the reason why you would do guide me, and so I say we go with it perfect.
Jessie Sams: awesome so now we're down to the last two and hula.
Jessie Sams: Should.
David Peterson: Really simple yeah.
Jessie Sams: I would think so because I think it's going to follow the same pattern we've already seen.
David Peterson: And there you go you can't get you can't get simpler than that, when it comes to tunnel differences hula versus hula.
David Peterson: Very simple.
Jessie Sams: Beautiful OK, so now we have khaimah and so hi mom and we need to figure out how that's going to be affected.
David Peterson: hmm hmm Well, this is kind of interesting.
David Peterson: Because.
David Peterson: I don't think that there's going to be a difference right.
Jessie Sams: we've got a voiceless onset which gives high tone.
Jessie Sams: We no longer have a quota it's going to be unstressed which gives it low tone so won't it be falling on that initial syllable.
David Peterson: Well then, why wouldn't have been on this other one.
Jessie Sams: that's a wonderful question David shouldn't it be falling.
Jessie Sams: Because stress is full to the second syllable so the opening what becomes Chi.
Jessie Sams: Is up being an open syllable because the m is pulled over to become kind.
Jessie Sams: Which means again voiceless on set.
David Peterson: high tone yeah.
Jessie Sams: unstressed low tone and some to mark this falling which, if you recall, on a single Val was the circle FLEX David has opted to do the a in a in an acute accent with the I right next to it in a ground accent, giving it sort of it, Sir complex look over the entire default.
David Peterson: yep.
David Peterson: But indeed those two forms are identical now so so.
David Peterson: time we have game becomes day me and Guy ma becomes gaming same thing so that's kind of cool.
David Peterson: And that might be yeah might that might play out and be really interesting and also, if you were to create an authority it might be the type of thing that could actually be reified in the authority, depending on what type of warthog roughy it was and how it works.
David Peterson: So yeah but otherwise.
David Peterson: yeah that's the banana.
Jessie Sams: As they say in California.
Jessie Sams: So this will, as far as we know.
Jessie Sams: wrap up any sort of work that we do on this language sketch, for the time being, and yes, I will I will remember to create a PDF to add it as one of the resources to this podcast episode when it does go up on patreon.
Jessie Sams: So that way you can follow along and see or at the very least you can see, all of the final forums, as you listen to the podcast that can kind of help you.
Jessie Sams: suss out what we're actually looking at as we're talking through all these forums, but yeah I hope that you found this introduction it's been a genesis quite.
Jessie Sams: enlightening.
David Peterson: Yes, so I don't know, are we supposed to say anything now, or do we just disappear.
Jessie Sams: Well, you can just.
Jessie Sams: know we you know say exactly slam it down.
Jessie Sams: yeah we hope you all have a wonderful upcoming month because this will be available on July first and stay grammar.
David Peterson: Yes.