Jessie: hello, and welcome to link time chat episode 15 and we are doing a continuation of what we did an episode 14, that is, we are working on a well, a language sketch, for now, we haven't talks about how big this language is going to be.
Jessie: But you know, right now, all we have are some some proto forms are running through sound rules that we created and we're getting ready to start, I think, introducing tone, since that was actually the focus for this whole language sketch anyway, and so.
Jessie: David you want to say hello, while I share the screen for future viewers to see.
David Peterson: I suppose so.
Jessie: And was that it was that your Hello.
David Peterson: No it's gonna come it's gonna come in time.
Jessie: it'll be the end of the episode he'll finally say hello.
Jessie: So as a reminder last time I introduced a series of.
Jessie: I don't think I ever counted I think there's like 12 roots here that I have put together, because when we started the language.
Jessie: I came up with the sounds we were going to use, many of which I struggle with pronouncing myself, we had an awkward time of David trying to teach me how to pronounce an objective P, and it fell apart real quick.
Jessie: And I had put together a list of routes for us to to get started with, and then I hand it over some of the decision, while a lot of the decision making to David to introduce some sound changes we're kind of doing a pass in place situation here.
Jessie: And we introduce nasal assimilation, so you know pretty pretty standard right we're a nasal consonant just you know matches in place to following consonant.
Jessie: uvula coloring where vowels are going to shift, depending on whether there's a regular constant around it.
Jessie: Post nasal voicing so voiceless stops could give voice to after a nasal you bueller bueller merger, so you are going to disappear and just become feeler consonants and finally a low valves assimilation, where.
Jessie: we're going to have the low sound becoming so it's going to kind of come forward and so those were sound changes, we also had decided, as I scroll quickly.
Jessie: Up to tone we're going to end up and today we're going to kick off, I believe, with deciding where our tone is going to come from.
Jessie: But we will have registered tone with two tone levels and so altogether, there will be a high low and falling tonal melody and those tones maybe use grammatically when we get to grammar we'll figure that out so that's where we are David.
David Peterson: We are we're going to need a backup and take stock, a little bit here jump if you would page to where we have our IPA chart.
David Peterson: First, in the consonants we have a blank palatable and blank glottal column yeah we want to keep them there.
Jessie: The only reason we had left them there was in case we end up introducing something where, for instance in followed by an e and then you know.
Jessie: Like in I vow are we going to change it to a palatable or something now, it depends on whether or not we're going to introduce a lot more sound rules that would add sounds or if where we're going to go with this one illogical.
Jessie: You know phonological rules where we're going to go with it is more about getting the tone and actually reducing what we have, so I think that's really the only reason we cut them.
Jessie: Now, David just deleted the glottal column, which I think was a good decision, because I can't imagine a glottal coming from nowhere.
Jessie: I think palatable is the only one.
Jessie: That could be problematic.
David Peterson: will hang on to it, for the time being, now let's jump to the vowels.
Jessie: mm hmm.
David Peterson: So what's written here doesn't make sense.
Jessie: yeah I think okay so Second, I have another document.
Jessie: It does not match because they're supposed to be an APP and I think at the very end, I just didn't get everything updated.
David Peterson: Oh, my goodness, what happened.
Jessie: I don't know David just inserted a question mark and then an Omega symbol he's all over the place in this document.
David Peterson: So keyboard is not set up correctly, so it doesn't the command key hold on one moment.
Jessie: Well, I can also enter IPA characters and so that is totally doable so right now.
David Peterson: Well, the wrong but let's just put it this way that our shouldn't be in parentheses it shouldn't be read the other or should be read that all should also be in the back column, and then we need an ad.
David Peterson: And both should be green but I I was going to do it, I was going to do it, I swear I just.
David Peterson: need to figure out this keyboard issue.
David Peterson: it's I I need to flip the command key.
David Peterson: And the alt key, I think.
David Peterson: I think that's what I need to do.
David Peterson: Is.
Jessie: figure out what color Green, I was using.
Jessie: None of those are right.
David Peterson: Oh just copy it.
Jessie: So what had happened in the vowel section and for obviously if you're listening to this as it's released your patron which means you also have access to the PDF and so.
Jessie: What you'll see is that the central low Val I had mistakenly left the central valley there added the backlog Val but put it in red, and that was just all wrong.
Jessie: And so.
I.
Jessie: Really don't know what how I got the colors mixed up either, but that's okay.
Jessie: So also I forget that, in a table you can't just hit equals, as the first thing.
David Peterson: yeah.
David Peterson: that's kind of annoying is that.
Jessie: It really is OK, so now our Val chart is fixed, so our current Val chart down the front, we have eat a we only have a central sra and then down the back, we have, so we have seven vowels, four of which are new vowels that were introduced to phonological changes, so the a or.
Jessie: have been are the results of some phonological shifts.
David Peterson: Okay i've located, the thing, where I think I need to change it like I need to make that command.
Jessie: And so.
let's see if i'm right.
Jessie: Oh, I should also mention.
Jessie: You won't know this.
David Peterson: yeah boy i'm.
David Peterson: Okay, so.
Jessie: David fixed his keyboard another thing that you're not going to know until the video was released at the end of our season is that David is not wearing the tie dye shirt that was going to happen there was a tragedy, but is instead wearing a defiant shirt.
Jessie: In a pinkish color and.
Jessie: it's got a great I mean like the the graphic on the.
Jessie: throne is great of the character.
David Peterson: This is kinsey.
David Peterson: says that character and actresses Nicole, Galicia, who is the best.
Jessie: And also.
Jessie: For anybody listening, who has not seen defiance I highly encourage you to watch it, it was one of my favorite three shows that David has worked on and I was very sad that it ended after three seasons because.
Jessie: I really got into it.
Jessie: And, in case you're wondering.
Jessie: And i'm sure David notice Emerald city is in the top three, and of course motherland.
Jessie: So.
David Peterson: Man, let me tell you penny dreadful was amazing, but it is not your show.
David Peterson: For the less.
David Peterson: guides it was so good.
Jessie: Maybe someday i'll get brave enough.
David Peterson: But i'm telling you she.
David Peterson: gosh now I keep mixing up the name of the actress in the name of the character.
David Peterson: But the main character, the actress she should have been at least nominated for best actress every season and should have won it every season thankful that she got at least one nomination one golden Globe nomination anyway just incredible Okay, that is an order that table is an order.
David Peterson: Yes, let us go back to 12 and 13 what I would love is to have my brain from last month.
David Peterson: remind me how I was planning to get to this.
Jessie: You know that's a great question.
Jessie: And even if you had some grand plan from.
Jessie: Last month, it could still change obviously so.
Jessie: let's just go with how we're feeling today we don't have a lot of kota consonants.
David Peterson: Oh.
Jessie: Oh yes, I do it looks like we don't have anything.
David Peterson: That reminds me this this isn't fully thing Yet is it.
David Peterson: Because it's now going to become.
David Peterson: In got you got.
David Peterson: Right.
Jessie: This bottom Ray okay right so David was pointing out that one of our examples.
Jessie: Well, we also still have a Q above, I just don't know that fully did the merger yet.
know.
Jessie: We have another queue to we have we have a lot of cues.
David Peterson: Okay let's.
David Peterson: let's well let's let's.
David Peterson: let's at least ferret those out since we're pretty happy with those sound changes.
David Peterson: So we can at least get a better idea what we are working with so right now i'm changing all of the regulars to the dealers.
David Peterson: And it's important to note that this has happened after the uvula coloring, and so what that means is that you will have a distinction, where you didn't previously between two vowels right after the exact same consonants we we don't have any examples, yet, but.
David Peterson: We could you know.
Jessie: i'm actually.
David Peterson: throw in one just for fun.
Jessie: Witness be Sally up here.
David Peterson: yeah we that's that's The other thing we need to do right yes absolutely 100%.
Jessie: And this would be at pay and not.
Jessie: Okay.
Jessie: Okay, so we did not go.
Jessie: Through all that I just I think all we made it through was nasal assimilation.
Jessie: invoicing.
Jessie: We did not make it to the feeler vilar merger or the low value to simulation roles to apply them to the roots and so we still have PO.
David Peterson: This is this is this is very interesting that, like this.
Jessie: well.
Jessie: that's really good high bells become mid vows after you feel are constants oh yeah so the high vows come down that's how we got that okay.
David Peterson: Look at our look at our little tea apu here, we could get us get ourselves some.
David Peterson: power tools if we.
Jessie: If we take a shower.
David Peterson: or something yeah.
David Peterson: No Chapel.
David Peterson: Would you like some more grew Sir that's all right chapo.
David Peterson: We went okay.
Jessie: Oh, my word.
Jessie: So yeah we do have we do have some opportunities to potentially introduce some more sounds that we don't yet have listed in the IPA chart on the first page.
Jessie: and
Jessie: wow notes, he is now new yeah.
David Peterson: yeah, this is becoming very finicky which I like because you know I I love finish because yet notes yeah is definitely a finish like word, except that it wouldn't be Nazi I would be new to.
David Peterson: You know, with a pencil yes yeah.
David Peterson: So what have we killed her central vows yet.
Jessie: We have a sra.
David Peterson: yeah that's not gonna fly.
Jessie: What I.
Jessie: I campaign to keep the sra.
Jessie: That was an agreement that you are totally.
Jessie: Totally on board with last month, what happened.
David Peterson: That that was me last month, I mean you can't you can't trust me last month.
Jessie: Why, why do we need to kill the Shah.
David Peterson: I was been afflicted by March madness.
David Peterson: that's still no reason that you can't keep us.
Jessie: In one language.
David Peterson: Let me paint you a picture of a beautiful future where we have.
David Peterson: A language.
David Peterson: A register tone language.
David Peterson: With palatable consonants and ejected.
David Peterson: invalid harmony.
Jessie: Harmony which would effectively kill.
David Peterson: The show.
Jessie: about this.
David Peterson: The Schwab would be sacrificed.
David Peterson: For bow harmony.
Jessie: Right.
David Peterson: What direction.
Jessie: Though what.
David Peterson: I was thinking.
David Peterson: was thinking left to right, which would mean that we would need to find something to do with stressed sra but that's or like you know word initial swab basically Schwab, where it doesn't come in front of a vow.
David Peterson: We can do something about that, I think we can come up with just a.
David Peterson: Little little snippy have something to do with that that'll be fun.
Jessie: i'm trying not to.
Jessie: Seize in my Shell, a state.
Jessie: that's good um So if you did want to do bow harmony from left to right.
Jessie: Okay.
Jessie: So the first word that we come to on our list because we obviously we haven't decided what we're doing with a sha in a word, like post yet, because the show was the only Val there we haven't decided that.
Jessie: The next word on our list is anxiety and they're both front vowels i'm assuming bell harmony were you thinking front to back or were you thinking, how would the bells harmonize.
David Peterson: Well, right now, I was just thinking that Schwab would realize in different ways, depending on what came before it, but then you have all these dip thongs.
David Peterson: And needs to.
David Peterson: Something needs to be done with them.
Jessie: Because we do have this word, where we have in at.
Jessie: song to create a I.
Jessie: Did I say that dip song apparently.
David Peterson: Well i'm having ideas you're not gonna like and.
Jessie: Like I.
Jessie: You can't introduce something like that you, you have to try to sell it first you can't be like oh you're gonna hate this, let me tell you.
David Peterson: Jesse you're gonna hate this, let me tell you.
Jessie: So worse way.
Jessie: Worse way to introduce anything.
David Peterson: you're gonna write some stuff down.
David Peterson: Okay.
Jessie: And i'm going to read everything he writes to you and try to show my level of discontent through the amount of sighing that I do.
Jessie: As I read.
Jessie: Right now.
Jessie: It looks like we're potentially going to be introducing some opposite rounding in terms of because normally the front vowels right or on rounded back thousand more likely to be rounded and it looks like David is potentially introducing.
Jessie: Some rounded front, so I to become a.
Jessie: Did you take anything after the I.
David Peterson: don't.
David Peterson: Know i'm just thinking i'm just thinking.
Jessie: That was the That was the first one, the second one is.
Jessie: i'm becoming oh.
Jessie: A coming a.
Jessie: What was on.
David Peterson: And now we have I I I.
David Peterson: You know, just like the the finished it song with the Ai not the a double dot I I line and.
David Peterson: what's that what's that what's that guy's name.
David Peterson: what's the guy's name that I really liked that guitarist from Sonata Arctic of his career, I now follow because he's kind of a genius.
Jessie: I love that you think I remember his name I remember talking about him.
yeah.
David Peterson: Okay.
Jessie: You know the best part when I was working at a music store was when people would come.
Jessie: In and.
Jessie: they'd be like I want the you know at that point CDs right I want that CD by the new artists they're playing on the radio.
Jessie: mm hmm okay that doesn't help, and so, then you know you like you try to get information and they're like you know, and then they try to hum it and they're like like me and can't home save their lives.
Jessie: And it becomes a great guessing game.
David Peterson: you're great hammer.
Jessie: there's no way you could identify a song that I was trying to get you to identify by me honey.
David Peterson: How about a give me a song that you know I know and then how much.
Jessie: How about we figure out what's happening to this dip song.
David Peterson: I will, after you do this.
Jessie: First of all, that puts a lot of pressure on me.
Jessie: And I don't have to work well under pressure.
David Peterson: You excel and pressure everybody knows that about you.
Jessie: i'm very curious did you look up the guitarist name.
I did.
Jessie: And it is.
David Peterson: You on the Lima tynan.
Jessie: Oh, my gosh yeah I would never have remembered that, first, second, the way I would have pronounced it to you would have been so butchered that you would have had no idea what I was saying.
David Peterson: you're the reason that I know how to pronounce This is because I listened to a lot of people whose native languages, our feet are finished singing English.
David Peterson: And their pronunciation of our I did song, so you know is so unique it's because, like in their minds, they have to those songs neither of them is the English one, and they slot it to the back one instead of the front one.
David Peterson: which I think is odd, because I think, ours is more forward than theirs.
David Peterson: But it's really obvious like when you.
David Peterson: hear them same things like there's just one Center I forget what the song, is where the band is it's a female singer.
David Peterson: I think it might be emburey and on but where she says she says by my side, and you know that's how we say it in English, except in hers it's him by my side and it's like very.
David Peterson: Obvious like it's so it's just like you have to pull the vow back a little bit and it's a strange, and you know this is why anyway so yeah you only need, but the line.
David Peterson: and
Jessie: There is this great author, whose name is me he sent me hate and the only reason I know how to say his name is because I found a YouTube video dedicated to how to say his name.
Jessie: Literally the entire YouTube video is somebody just saying it over and over against that we've.
learned.
David Peterson: And can you say it again.
Jessie: Who and i'll even write it.
Jessie: So whoops if I could spell correctly i'm.
Jessie: Just second there we go um oops I think I forgot.
Jessie: Oh it's closing my eyes during part of it because, like.
Jessie: I typed it so many times, while I was working on one project, but like I remember, like my finger memory is better than remembering how to spell it.
Jessie: same thing I do when I typed phone numbers because I like try to memorize people's phone numbers in case you know I don't know, I have to call them from a phone that's not my own, and there are so many times when I can't tell you what the number is, but I can press it out on the keypad.
Jessie: Anyway, me hey chicks aren't me hey and he's Hungarian American and he writes incredible books on psychology of things like creativity and flow and things like it's really incredible books but i'm all nonfiction.
Jessie: right but yeah I had to look up how to how to say his name.
David Peterson: yeah you tell what that SEC it's somewhere over in in Hungary, and they see us as well.
David Peterson: Anyway, so um.
David Peterson: You know wake me up before you go go.
Of course.
David Peterson: chorus.
Jessie: First, do you want to talk about what that song makes me think of.
David Peterson: I do.
You.
Jessie: Okay, so just when anybody thought, maybe I may have good taste in movies, and our music.
Jessie: It makes me think of the movies uhlaender.
Jessie: orange mocha frappuccino.
Jessie: Is that song is play up until.
Jessie: The explosion um but anyway.
David Peterson: I honestly that was one of the biggest surprise laps for me in that movie that I can remember, and always remember, I was just watching it at a friend's house, I never saw in the theater.
David Peterson: But it's just where they come to that dance floor there on the second floor and it's like we have everything we need to you know unto you and they're all in this computer right here, and then it's.
David Peterson: As if it was just going to explode and reveal this.
Jessie: So the movie.
Jessie: is so stupid it's funny right and I actually saw it in the theater with my friend rodney right before I moved to Germany for a year and, while I was in Germany he surprised me by said axing the DVD when it came out to Germany.
Jessie: So I could have it on DVD and remember night together.
Jessie: So.
Jessie: You really want to like assault people's ear drums when they're supposed to be listening to us, and this is supposed to be a perk.
Jessie: of being.
David Peterson: A patron.
Jessie: much faster.
David Peterson: Okay, go for it go for it.
Jessie: I apologize in advance.
Okay.
Jessie: yeah okay.
David Peterson: That was fine.
Jessie: No, I was wrong anyway.
David Peterson: I was fine.
David Peterson: With that.
David Peterson: With that that was fine.
David Peterson: Thank you Jesse.
David Peterson: I just don't get.
David Peterson: that's not true okay so.
David Peterson: Here is here's what i'm thinking, the reason why I wanted to get rid of these dip songs because they.
David Peterson: offer they it's like they.
David Peterson: they're a little bit problematic when it comes to assigning value is two things down the line, the nice thing about finished bell harmonies that they just have two sets of values, you know, so the eye and ear completely neutral and don't matter.
David Peterson: And you might be wondering what happens if the first vow of the word is I or II and you might be interested to know.
David Peterson: Most of the time it's front bells sometimes it's not sometimes it's not.
David Peterson: very surprising anyway.
David Peterson: So I wanted to get rid of these two things The thing is, when I hear when I think about how are we getting rid of this song, you know as in you know Lima tynan tying tying and the, the first thing that comes to mind is that the baton and.
David Peterson: Just make it along Val.
mm hmm.
David Peterson: it's not super satisfying but you know.
hey.
David Peterson: I mean.
David Peterson: He yeah.
David Peterson: yeah like.
David Peterson: it's Either that, or a I don't know.
David Peterson: Then we have all of these on glides and we can talk about those separately, we will need to figure out that and that but.
Jessie: So, specifically, we need to talk about anytime you or an eye.
Jessie: comes first and the depth on and we've got yeah we've got we.
David Peterson: And so you could be.
David Peterson: We could get that what do you think.
Jessie: So.
Jessie: Obviously, introducing the the w and the yo so we definitely have and i'm trying to just see because the only other one we have is yeah.
Jessie: So I am.
David Peterson: mm hmm.
Jessie: And so those could be.
Jessie: I know i'm just looking across the board, see what other combos we had in the roots.
Jessie: yeah no i'm totally on board with saying we have a week and a you.
Jessie: Instead of we and you.
David Peterson: Okay, basically, this is just introducing these guys as phoneme so if you're an eye comes in initial position and, like a default.
David Peterson: It just results as either what are ya respectively, so that solves that this makes me a little uncomfortable because suddenly The only long vowel we have is our.
David Peterson: And it comes from a depth on we don't have long vowels otherwise.
David Peterson: For parallelism, you would think that that would become.
David Peterson: In other words, you would think that it would become.
David Peterson: believe this is called ram's Horn.
Jessie: I never know what that's called um.
Jessie: Okay, so at this point, you have three options down for the.
Jessie: A.
Jessie: And that one is the.
Jessie: Where does that that's the.
Jessie: Back on rounded.
David Peterson: Yes, close close man on rounded.
Jessie: Okay.
Jessie: Yes, Okay, because it would be opposite the the oh right.
David Peterson: yeah.
Jessie: So it's Oh, and a.
David Peterson: yeah I feel pretty good about that, but then a and.
David Peterson: And really.
Jessie: See, would you feel good about having both.
Jessie: The front and the back at the MID level with the the opposite rounding because we would then have a.
Jessie: It oh.
David Peterson: yeah.
Jessie: Okay, and you'd feel comfortable with that.
David Peterson: I would yeah.
David Peterson: Okay i've done it before.
Jessie: Mine come out is pretty much the same thing.
David Peterson: What.
David Peterson: Really, I mean the.
Jessie: rounded front and the are sorry the rounded front and the unbounded back at that a an old level.
David Peterson: But it couldn't be more different issue.
David Peterson: A versus.
Jessie: A.
David Peterson: dude.
He.
Jessie: told me they couldn't be more different you're right it's not like they could be like a different value height as well, or something.
David Peterson: I mean we could go with something completely radical I mean but we'd have to really tap into you know we'd have to trap tap into our inner essence and say what do we feel.
David Peterson: From this like do we have an example of this to thumb right now.
Jessie: In one of our words.
David Peterson: yeah we don't, we need to, we need to come up with one.
Jessie: Introducing a new route, and that is my job, so you just hang on.
David Peterson: Oh, it is yeah.
Jessie: Totally my job.
Jessie: I don't know what you think you're doing.
David Peterson: Oh wait a minute.
David Peterson: it's up there coloring hi girls become involved after up other continents only uvula is not just all.
David Peterson: Projects right.
Jessie: Well yeah it has nothing to do with the objective.
David Peterson: got it okay cool cool all good all good.
Jessie: So I need to make sure that I have a uvula.
Jessie: Just second and i'm trying to.
Jessie: Are you nervous.
David Peterson: i'm so excited okay.
Jessie: And I was double checking a couple things.
Jessie: And it needs to be, we need a uvula follow, so I chose just the queue for now.
Jessie: Oh actually wait.
Jessie: We had only entry Oh, we had already introduced the G somewhere so we're good we're good.
Jessie: And it needed to be a non high value, which means the only non high vow in the proto form would be a sha.
Jessie: The a and the only come from.
Jessie: Oh, I could have had an.
Jessie: Do we do we want the We just need one of the central bows either the sra or the the low.
David Peterson: What happens to the Schwab hi bill hybels be committed bells after you've either constants more non high bells merges off i'm sorry you're right, it could very well be Schwab, my apologies, my sincere apologies.
Jessie: Okay, so i'm gonna go back to the law because i'm going to put as many slides and, as I can, while I can.
Jessie: Obviously.
David Peterson: Use your time.
Jessie: what's on.
David Peterson: us your time.
Jessie: Yes.
Jessie: and
David Peterson: i'm missing something.
Jessie: Missing something.
David Peterson: I mean the whole reason that we're doing this right is for that the phone.
Jessie: I know i'm getting them getting them.
David Peterson: got it.
Jessie: I forgot, I was, I was working ahead on whether I wanted a one syllable or a two syllable, but I think i'll leave it one syllable keep it Nice and short.
Jessie: And we have.
Jessie: Alright, so then right so that's that's my pronunciation.
No.
David Peterson: One can.
Jessie: claim.
Jessie: Becoming.
Jessie: claim.
Jessie: becoming something.
David Peterson: Okay coin coin coin.
Jessie: I think we should just keep that depth on.
Jessie: Because I know you love to both.
David Peterson: But like, then it would be the only one.
Jessie: Special.
David Peterson: home Come on, here we have.
David Peterson: No that's the other one town.
David Peterson: And and and.
David Peterson: Okay, well, we need write this up as a soundstage we're going to do it anyway.
David Peterson: We could say that the I was so strong that resisted, but in that case I would think the all is so strong it shouldn't go to oh.
Jessie: Okay.
David Peterson: What are your thoughts on that missing.
Jessie: I like it.
Jessie: I like a good song every now and then.
David Peterson: there's nothing good about these let's make that clear.
Jessie: Making me get rid of the sra.
David Peterson: Violent dirty did.
Jessie: I like them.
David Peterson: Okay.
David Peterson: we're gonna call this new rule.
David Peterson: Simplification.
Jessie: We are fully simplifying to dip songs to a monologue song.
Jessie: So.
Jessie: And a becoming a and a respectively.
Jessie: And then.
Jessie: Are we and you dip songs are just becoming wheat and you which, while you're typing the dip song simplification i'm going to hop up to page two and put in a w into J in the chart.
David Peterson: Yes.
Jessie: Still.
Jessie: curious.
Jessie: Oh yeah it's because it's a green that's not on there interesting.
Jessie: Now.
Jessie: I Oh, I know what happened nevermind.
Jessie: I know what happened with.
Jessie: degree.
Jessie: So do you know okay.
Jessie: You know that I started.
Jessie: taking notes for what I wanted to do with the sound charts and everything and just a regular pages document that I kept for myself.
David Peterson: and
Jessie: You know that when I start a pages document from my own from my own account I get a different color palette than you do, because I have my whatever makes it so I have my pink color palette.
Jessie: yeah so my color options for texts are different from what is available in a document started by you.
Jessie: This document is your template Therefore, it was started by you, therefore.
Jessie: All of the colors are different but I copied and pasted the IPA charts over once I made them that's why the Greens are not aligning and why I have to just copy and paste them that's what's going on.
Jessie: And everyone knows copy.
Jessie: The copy style I know.
Jessie: I could, but.
Jessie: It works data.
David Peterson: It does work okay all right let's now that we have some sound changes actually written out less.
Jessie: You want to say this becomes a w instead of a you.
David Peterson: What.
David Peterson: What what did I do.
Jessie: You said the high vows I and you become Jay and you when they occur.
David Peterson: No, I didn't.
Jessie: I just changed it.
David Peterson: And so it says w.
Jessie: Yes, what i've highlighted I typed I just changed that.
David Peterson: You can't prove it.
Jessie: Okay undo look at that undo.
David Peterson: redo.
Jessie: don't try to pretend like i'm not finding mistakes, you make.
David Peterson: It wasn't a mistake, it was a little mistake see tiny little baby mistake with.
Jessie: A mistake but that's so cute.
Jessie: Okay Oh, that also means I need to add the vowels up top.
Jessie: Because we're not vowels i'm sorry one vowel.
Jessie: They need to.
Jessie: add up top and so i'm going to do that.
Jessie: And i'm going to, of course, first try remember how to make there we go second try, I remembered how to make the correct IPA simple.
Jessie: Not too shabby.
David Peterson: Not too shabby at all.
Jessie: And so now David is updating our roots to take care of these dip phones.
Jessie: and
Jessie: holy crap hola are you still attached.
David Peterson: i'm very sorry.
Jessie: You shouldn't be sorry like i'm just concerned that, like something King loose in that sneeze everything okay.
David Peterson: yeah yeah poor little Roman he's so tired that he turned to look at me, you know, in a very disgusted way but couldn't manage to open his eyes, looking at me with his eyes closed.
Jessie: Totally understandable.
Jessie: OK, so now.
David Peterson: he's falling asleep as he's looking at me.
Jessie: Either way, we now have soo up became sweat.
David Peterson: swag.
Jessie: And I love it you got to have a little more sweat when you say.
David Peterson: What does my tattoo say sweat.
Jessie: Oh, my word okay.
Jessie: So we have retained to dip thongs much to david's chagrin.
Jessie: But we do still have the show was in there and.
Jessie: You want.
David Peterson: yeah we're gonna get rid of US was now.
Jessie: You want Val harmony of some type.
David Peterson: yeah I think it'd be fun.
Jessie: Okay.
Jessie: Now is this a decision that we need to make before we start talking about tones and where they come from, or are we going to more both conversations together.
David Peterson: No don't make life, a little easier, I think it'll make life, a little a little simpler if we take care of this now, so we could say we will choose a tonic vow.
David Peterson: In the depth thong.
David Peterson: That tonic bell will, by default, be a not high Val if there's only two by vows than the one that remains will be the topic.
David Peterson: And that this this errant.
David Peterson: Schwab.
David Peterson: will become.
David Peterson: You know, we could go nuts and spread the rounding.
David Peterson: So the sra would become.
David Peterson: After E.
David Peterson: And O after back calls.
Jessie: And says, specifically right now.
David Peterson: After a.
Jessie: Right now, the cursor is on the example we're currently at the form we came up with it, and so what would happen here would be wing bay.
David Peterson: yeah and I what I was thinking was too silly I think it should be.
David Peterson: At or oh and that's it.
Jessie: Okay, and when we have an example like whoa.
Jessie: What happens.
David Peterson: That is something that we must decide.
Jessie: And she.
Jessie: made sure that I put a route in there, that only had a sha.
David Peterson: yeah I know it's something you're gonna have to deal with, eventually, so you might as well just do it right off the BAT.
David Peterson: or.
David Peterson: But.
David Peterson: But, but what does that what does that feel like it's going to change to you, but.
David Peterson: fail forward.
Jessie: It to me it would be.
David Peterson: got it.
David Peterson: And there.
Jessie: Now I gotta go get rid of the Sherlock.
David Peterson: used to make it read that's all.
Jessie: You.
Jessie: need to copy style.
Jessie: You know that.
Jessie: it's too much work i'm just gonna do what I know how to do.
Jessie: Was the.
Jessie: The I was originally in the language I don't know why I put it in parentheses.
Jessie: But that was in the original.
yeah.
Jessie: i'm taking out of parentheses cuz that was in our original battle inventory you get and I start before bows.
David Peterson: Yes.
Jessie: Okay it's fixed now.
Jessie: Okay.
well.
Jessie: Make sure it's known that it's David central valley annihilation.
David Peterson: it's a mutual decision.
David Peterson: That we're very happy with.
Jessie: Just look at David.
David Peterson: it's gonna be it's gonna be hard to I can't write a rule for this i'm just going to do it words, well, it comes.
David Peterson: After.
David Peterson: After back.
David Peterson: and
David Peterson: When it's on it's.
Jessie: On its lonesome not by it's awesome.
Jessie: Thank you like, is that a dialectical thing or does that feel better.
Jessie: than you.
David Peterson: Know it's when it's on its own.
David Peterson: On its own bias lonesome edges mix that up know it sounded weird to me too.
David Peterson: What do you think is a more central to the to the shrine so the Schwab its lack of rounding or its height.
Jessie: For me, its lack of rounding because I think in general, at least I know from my own pronunciation my was kind of go all over the place, depending on.
Jessie: Well vironment is around it and it's still a squatter me but it's always on rounded.
David Peterson: So, then, do you think, then, it makes more sense for it to become off than oh.
Jessie: gotcha so in an example like.
Jessie: We don't have one do we.
David Peterson: know so here, let me well, do you want to do one.
Jessie: You can I will allow you one.
David Peterson: Oh, thank you.
David Peterson: there's a nice easy one hola.
Jessie: except the oh would never be in a proto form.
Jessie: This is why you're not allowed.
Jessie: Okay, and so Lula would either become low or la oh yeah I want it to be are.
David Peterson: You got it.
David Peterson: Real.
Jessie: Okay, and in a situation.
Jessie: Like.
Jessie: let's just create a very similar proto form to one we had just done.
Jessie: adding a Schwab behind it in a situation like.
Jessie: The resulting form of claim month, where we have that song.
Jessie: This is where you would said so, we have the dip song that goes from back to front end to the other tips on won't be a problem, it just stays back and so that's fine so is all back.
Jessie: When we go I eat though we're going to stick with the That was the that initial discussion that you had had write about this.
David Peterson: topic.
Jessie: The tonic tonic that's.
Jessie: Okay.
Karma.
David Peterson: Karma yeah.
Jessie: cool yeah that's.
David Peterson: All right, good.
Jessie: don't you like that little dip from there.
David Peterson: Well, because it reminds me of finished, but it does offend me yeah.
Good.
Jessie: Okay, go complete Okay, so we have that do you want.
Jessie: To talk momentarily about and i'm trying to find our examples here.
Jessie: Where we have examples like T apu where we have a tea, followed by a little glide and then we also have down here notes yeah.
yeah.
Jessie: Where we have the Ts followed by that palatable glide and I think those are the the two big ones that we have right now, we could, of course, have a lot of other examples, but specific to these are, are we going to expand our political repertoire.
David Peterson: yeah because the thing is, you know what that says to me it seems to me that we could potentially be distinguishing between pivotal stops and i'll be a palatable Africans.
Jessie: So instead of.
Jessie: Okay okay so it's like.
To.
Jessie: See apple would become capital like that.
David Peterson: yeah cool.
Jessie: Did I tell you what I said.
David Peterson: Really it's not what I heard you might have done it better than me and so just standard super stopping.
Jessie: Oh, my gosh okay so would cafu become taboo or Chapel.
David Peterson: It really sounds like you're saying taboo.
Jessie: taboo.
David Peterson: Know jackboot and.
Jessie: We have my tongue hitting the middle of my palate middle of my tongue middle my palate taboo.
David Peterson: It doesn't sound like it at all, it sounds like you're saying taboo.
Jessie: I think you need to get your hearing corrupted.
dang.
David Peterson: Can I do that can you go and get your hearing corrected I would love that.
Jessie: You know little tweak here a little tweak.
David Peterson: Okay.
David Peterson: and new chat.
David Peterson: Or we could just say they merge.
Jessie: I think they should merge.
David Peterson: You are the Jesse.
Jessie: mainly because I apparently I can't say.
David Peterson: No, I mean you're probably doing it right it's probably an acoustic thing.
Jessie: i'm going to do you put the Africa it's under stops.
David Peterson: yeah.
Jessie: Oh, you don't have the symbol gotcha.
Jessie: This would of course mean we would eventually find that form.
Jessie: Okay.
Jessie: So the chat in the Joe are now possible would we have a nasal in would you do the same with the end like if it were.
Jessie: jambo yep.
David Peterson: I would, I would okay.
Jessie: whoops wrong in wrong.
Jessie: Because it takes me about remember keystroke combinations.
David Peterson: And we would also do the same with Mr.
Jessie: With the show.
Jessie: Okay.
Jessie: done.
Jessie: So now we have a little series.
David Peterson: yeah there we go.
Jessie: And of course everybody knows that I really like a little series, because that means I can say my name.
Jessie: Totally put Jesse in this language.
David Peterson: that's true not really would have to be chassis but you know.
Jessie: You know.
David Peterson: We hope to get the force winds after nasal.
Jessie: Well, I would like to lengthen my name to Jesse.
David Peterson: We would, we would have to have some rule that deleted nasal as before voice stops and then some rule that also deleted Mitchell valves for some reason.
Jessie: Also, I can get.
Jessie: What I want.
Jessie: Okay.
Jessie: hi how are you feeling.
David Peterson: I really like what we're doing I just noticed you're supposed to do.
David Peterson: Now i'm trying to figure out how to do it.
Jessie: We okay so first of all, you know my zoom doesn't tell me how long we've been recording because Why would it.
David Peterson: that's okay.
David Peterson: we're over we're over time.
Jessie: Already.
Oh yeah.
Jessie: we've gone over an hour.
David Peterson: Oh i'm sorry we've gone over an hour, but not actually over an hour recording.
Jessie: We have three minutes oh it's.
Jessie: One, so we can figure out tone in three minutes.
David Peterson: that's right.
Jessie: um Okay, so this is also, though, I think, yet another reminder of why con linking with a particular goal in mind still takes time to build up to set goal you don't just sit down and hit the goal, on your first go.
Jessie: we're getting there, we will make it to tone, do you have any ideas that you are currently favoring for sources of tone and again, we need a high low and eventually a falling.
David Peterson: yeah so my thought was you know just target the Code as.
David Peterson: Clearly, the stops can all go and they can leave high tone in its wake, we could have a stress system here and then have it be a combination of a loss of some coda's but also.
David Peterson: The also the tone i'm sorry also the stress itself.
David Peterson: I don't know if I want to lose those nasal kowtows.
Jessie: Make sure stress in coulda.
David Peterson: made you feel like the loss of the stops.
David Peterson: will give us high tone.
David Peterson: Okay nasal code is, I feel like they're going to give us low.
David Peterson: same thing, but the liquid coda's so like i'm looking at Ben.
Jessie: Alright, so those are some initial ideas.
David Peterson: yeah.
David Peterson: And then I just don't feel like we have to lose those liquid nasal coders they could leave a low trace, but still be there.
David Peterson: And maybe a checked is.
David Peterson: giving us low I forget shoot that one i'm gonna have to look up if objectives are associated lower high tone.
Jessie: So, having an onset as an objective.
David Peterson: yeah.
Jessie: So an objective on.
Jessie: These trace.
David Peterson: That may be wrong, though.
Jessie: Maybe.
Jessie: not sure what tell.
Jessie: Ah i've lost my ability to type.
David Peterson: Oh, look at this, this is, I pulled up a uc Berkeley dissertation.
David Peterson: I don't know who this is.
David Peterson: john kingston I don't know what that is but.
David Peterson: I do know the committee of john O Allah who is my Professor Johanna Nichols I know well, and I do know the last name stereotype I don't remember can't read the first name I don't remember it.
David Peterson: But this is a dissertation all about vilar objectives.
Jessie: and
Jessie: Just on the objectives are like connection to.
Jessie: Other features or.
David Peterson: The phonetics and chronology of the timing of oral and glottal events.
David Peterson: This is from 1984.
David Peterson: we're actually at three but I don't know all the signatures for maybe for one is for maybe five.
David Peterson: China, how it took a long time to approve it, which you know makes sense.
David Peterson: Oh.
David Peterson: And what they're shutting how a signature.
David Peterson: wow.
David Peterson: He was a wonderful professor and.
David Peterson: I really wish I could have I really wish I could have seen him, one more time.
David Peterson: anyway.
David Peterson: Okay, so so yeah I want to look up I just feel like the objective onsets could do something with our tone I just don't know what.
David Peterson: But something that shakes it out, from whatever the status quo is, I feel like you could do that i'm just not sure.
Jessie: Okay we're gonna leave that note there.
Jessie: i'm also going to make this some color.
Jessie: set it apart.
David Peterson: yeah I like this color.
Jessie: way, thank you, thank you, I chose it myself.
Jessie: And then, when we pick up next month, maybe in month three installment of this series will actually maybe actually hit tone like I don't know how many more times I can hedge that because.
Jessie: I really thought we were going to do tone, this time.
Jessie: So maybe it will be likely that we will have the opportunity to start tone.
Jessie: In episode 16.
David Peterson: May it be.
Jessie: love it.
Jessie: Excellent well i'm going to stop sharing screen.
Jessie: Okay, and we have our final words of wisdom pre prepared.
Jessie: yeah, why is that even a thing if you prepare it then it's ahead of time, why do you prepare something.
David Peterson: to indicate that you know you prepared it ahead of time.
Jessie: i've prepared it before preparing it.
Jessie: And and those wise words from David are.
David Peterson: Look at every angle of every decision.
David Peterson: you're ever going to make.
David Peterson: And then bend them.
Jessie: he's also sitting back like he's a wide wise sage nodding very wisdom Lee.
Jessie: I.
Jessie: appreciate that.
Jessie: And so yeah I hope you guys are enjoying the series so far of us doing the this playing around with another language sketch.
Jessie: And I know i'm excited to see how this actually shakes out once we start doing something with tone and we can start building from there.
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