Jessie Sams: Right. Welcome to link time chat think it's episode 10
David J. Peterson: No way really I've
Jessie Sams: Been
Jessie Sams: Doing it a while. I feel like I just nine last time. So it may be 10 I may be wrong. And maybe I just welcome you to the wrong podcast.
David J. Peterson: Okay, so we know it was at least seven or at least I know it was at least seven and if it was at least seven and that means it was at least eight. So this is either nine or 10 right
Jessie Sams: A close. Yeah, yeah.
Jessie Sams: Yeah, you would think that I would check before I do my welcome thing. It's not that hard to actually check. But I always forget until the second I hit record and then I say,
Jessie Sams: Don't know what episode. This is
David J. Peterson: Yeah, well, this is coming out in December. Right. So I know that the earliest, earliest we could have started with march right
Jessie Sams: Right, so maybe it isn't.
David J. Peterson: Okay, we'll find out. This will be exciting.
Jessie Sams: We find out it's a puzzle for all of us.
David J. Peterson: Okay.
David J. Peterson: So, so be good. It'll be episode 109 and the title will be episode 110 it'll be great.
Jessie Sams: Except I haven't been using the, the one because we're not in seasons.
David J. Peterson: I mean, we kind of are or at least that's the way I always looked at it, but
David J. Peterson: Just now. Okay, you're right. No, you're right. We I did, I did release them in season.
David J. Peterson: For some, right, because I
David J. Peterson: advise them to the whole patron thing, but whatever. Yeah.
David J. Peterson: Right.
Jessie Sams: You're right, but like in my head this continuous. Exactly. So, um, so we will call this three different episode numbers by the end and everyone will be thoroughly confused. And that's the best way to be
David J. Peterson: Here we go, want to wait, let's go.
Jessie Sams: 111
Jessie Sams: Oh wait, no one's
David J. Peterson: Here.
Jessie Sams: Oh my goodness. Okay, so we are in fine form today and today we have a special topic.
Jessie Sams: Because
Jessie Sams: I realized that someone had asked
Jessie Sams: Maybe a few live streams ago about my con lanes and I'm horribly slow about getting information onto my website still like don't go there, it's not
Jessie Sams: So many things are wrong with my website right now.
David J. Peterson: Jessie, Sam. I'll come
Jessie Sams: I'll get
Jessie Sams: Thank you, David. Um, but I'm going to today, talk about my con length about my five that are most fully developed.
David J. Peterson: I am really excited for this, but just really quickly because I know you have your CV on your website. What if we called CBS cookie ventures.
David J. Peterson: You're just not
Jessie Sams: Sure it would be much more exciting than curriculum it
David J. Peterson: Except, of course, in the proper Latin, it would be cool. Very cool. Now we tie. Right.
Jessie Sams: It would be, but
Jessie Sams: Who's proper
Jessie Sams: I don't know about all of that.
David J. Peterson: Okay, good. Yeah, seriously. I just thought of cookie venture, but this is exciting. I, I, I really want to hear about this because we're talking about your five most developed online.
David J. Peterson: Yes, smoke. Wow.
David J. Peterson: I will be learning
Jessie Sams: And they're going to go in chronological order, so that's
Exciting.
Jessie Sams: Because that's the best way to go. Right.
Jessie Sams: Yep. Okay. So just as a an introduction to me as a con linger because I think most of you don't know me outside of link time studios.
Jessie Sams: Work with David. And so whenever I online on my own, just for fun. I do what I call a type of logically oriented approach. So in other words, I picked patterns that makes sense, given what happens in natural languages.
Jessie Sams: But I don't really have proto forms or that kind of thing for two reasons. There's two reasons.
Jessie Sams: By I don't really have proto forms. I just don't
Jessie Sams: Just create a language.
Jessie Sams: So again, a few reasons here, first and foremost, it lets me create for creation sake, and it gives me a puzzle to work with while removing like the biggest cognitive hurdle, right, because I don't have to think about where things come from just got to think about
Jessie Sams: What I want it to be.
Jessie Sams: Also, another reason is because I was that student in my grad school historical linguistics class who was never happy with any of the answers because all of them are guesses. They're all guesses. We don't know. So like I always got angry at proto forms like
Jessie Sams: We have no evidence of this. We have no idea what we're talking about. So anyway, I was that student. And so I think sometimes I still have a thing against proto forms.
David J. Peterson: That's done because I'm Jesse this episode.
David J. Peterson: You took a historical linguistics class in graduate school.
David J. Peterson: It was offered. Yes.
Jessie Sams: It was actually one of the required courses.
David J. Peterson: That is really, really cool. I of course took historical linguistics and undergrad, because the big focus at UC Berkeley. But UC San Diego. There's, I mean, there wasn't even anybody on the faculty there's nobody who could have taught that class.
Jessie Sams: Remember to though that quite a few of our professors were from Berkeley.
David J. Peterson: Yes, that's true.
Jessie Sams: And so there may have been that carry over. I don't know how common it is to have required historical or diet chronic linguistics classes.
David J. Peterson: very uncommon.
Very
Jessie Sams: Well, shout out to Aaron Shane is she has
Jessie Sams: Ever listening because she taught that class and I loved her. I loved how she taught it. I was just very angry at the field.
Jessie Sams: So that's, that's how that played out.
Jessie Sams: Okay, so that were like
David J. Peterson: Diametrically opposed were complete and total opposites.
Jessie Sams: Yes, but I also wanted to make sure I said that out loud.
David J. Peterson: Because I know a lot of commenters have made.
Jessie Sams: Comments about not having the evolved forums and I'm like, I never do so.
Jessie Sams: Welcome to that club.
David J. Peterson: Do you want, do you want my take on this or now.
Jessie Sams: Of course, you're welcome. Just second sorry I realized that
Jessie Sams: I'm sorry. Okay, I had to move my leg. Go on.
David J. Peterson: Oh, oh yeah oh yeah cuz it's on. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
David J. Peterson: So the way that I, the way that I kind of refer to these two are as an easy way is either week naturalism and strong naturalism.
David J. Peterson: Or or statistical naturalism for week naturalism and
David J. Peterson: You know, historical or democratic naturalism around if I forget evolutionary nationalism, something like that, but
David J. Peterson: You can't really say that one is for sure, better than the other.
David J. Peterson: The way that I put it is that
David J. Peterson: Using this strong method.
David J. Peterson: You get more for free. In other words, you have to invent less. It just kind of happens, but it takes a lot longer.
David J. Peterson: And not only that you're projecting a lot. So it's like I'm setting this up to get this and then you try it and it may not work out.
David J. Peterson: And so sometimes it can be less satisfying or require even more work because you have to go back and like undo a whole bunch of stuff that you did that may have far reaching consequences.
David J. Peterson: So it takes a lot longer, but
David J. Peterson: You have to spend a lot less time
David J. Peterson: Thinking about, okay, which one's of these should be a regular what kind of things should I have
Jessie Sams: Over and
David J. Peterson: They, they just kind of happen. So I really liked that approach.
David J. Peterson: Because it does take more time, but I just feels
David J. Peterson: It just feels more satisfying to me now statistical match.
Jessie Sams: Makes sense.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, statistical naturalism. And I think what we all kind of hit and that's certainly where I was for a long time.
David J. Peterson: And basically it's like, yeah, there's no proto forms anywhere. So you're relying entirely on your own judgment and on your own knowledge of topology or not or across linguistic knowledge to get something that you hope is going to approximate a natural language.
David J. Peterson: And then the one thing is a lot quicker and other but a problem is that
David J. Peterson: You're often constrained by what you've seen
David J. Peterson: It's difficult to create something that that you have never seen that nevertheless could exist and a natural language. However, the big drawback for strong naturalism is that
David J. Peterson: We don't know how language emerged.
David J. Peterson: Right, so it's like at some point in time.
David J. Peterson: At some point in time, you have to stop.
David J. Peterson: And you either have to
David J. Peterson: posit the origin of human language by yourself and then follow it along that path or you have to say I'm going back this far and no farther
David J. Peterson: And so then it becomes a, like a turtle stalking question and say, well, what do you do at this point, like you have to create something. And so what do you do
David J. Peterson: When you're basically stuck again statistical naturalism or something.
David J. Peterson: Anyway,
Jessie Sams: So, so it all comes back. Yeah.
Jessie Sams: So that those are all good points. By the way, um, and also I whenever I teach. I teach the
Jessie Sams: I guess what you would call statistical naturalism and I teach that method to my students in big part because I show them patterns that they can use and also because it's for a lot of my students, they're brand new to linguistics.
Jessie Sams: And so it definitely gives away to say, you know, like, hey, look. Try these patterns out or try something.
Jessie Sams: I think it gives them more structure without having to introduce the evolutionary Sykes. I feel like that is more advanced for many students
Jessie Sams: Are all students.
Jessie Sams: I don't know why, like one student out there would think. Ooh, this evolutionary model is way easier than just
Jessie Sams: Form.
Jessie Sams: But that's also how I teach
Jessie Sams: And in the con links that I'm going to be introducing today. So again, there's five
Jessie Sams: The first one I created for more artistic reasons but really after that the other ones. I was trying out certain things because
Jessie Sams: And I think every con linger hits that point where you realize
Jessie Sams: You want to try a new pattern, but you really can't introduce it to your language without it just being a muddle of a mess. And so, like, you have to reserve it for future language right like
Jessie Sams: Okay, next language. I'm going to try this out. So, a lot of them. I had very specific goals in mind that I wanted to buy like what if a language did this. Or what if a language did that.
Jessie Sams: And you'll also see that I just have particular tastes in languages because there are things that show up a lot.
Jessie Sams: And I'm unapologetic about that. I like what I like.
Jessie Sams: Okay, so are you ready
David J. Peterson: Oh, yeah.
Jessie Sams: Trying to get my screen all balance so that way I can have zoom in, in some places in my document with all of my notes. My like seven page document here.
Jessie Sams: Alright, so my very first con line that was a real coddling is cute stuff and the speakers are humanoid they really just look human. But they're not actually AND IT'S ALL FEMALE SPEAKERS in a fictional world I created for a young adult novel.
Jessie Sams: Type of logically it follows
David J. Peterson: That you write up
Jessie Sams: I did.
David J. Peterson: Are you serious,
David J. Peterson: Wait, so we we both like written complete novels.
Yeah.
David J. Peterson: I didn't know that.
Jessie Sams: I don't bring it up often
David J. Peterson: Like it
Jessie Sams: I do. But I want to rewrite it because
Jessie Sams: So like I've started rewriting it because I decided I wanted the voice to be a little bit different. It's so now it's in like three different states.
David J. Peterson: So, so it's not something that you can just email to me.
Jessie Sams: Oh, I can definitely email you
Jessie Sams: The original version, the edited version like
Jessie Sams: You would get half a chapter of one style and then the rest would totally different.
David J. Peterson: I i read William S. Burroughs. That sounds fun.
Jessie Sams: Okay. But yes, no, I can, I can send it in to warn you though. Even if you make it through the whole thing. It's the first of a trilogy. And I've written the second one, but I haven't written the third one I really don't know where I want it to go.
David J. Peterson: Are you serious,
Jessie Sams: I'm serious.
David J. Peterson: So we both written multiple novels.
Jessie Sams: Yes.
David J. Peterson: How did she not tell me this.
Jessie Sams: I don't know.
Jessie Sams: Sometimes I'm a better listener has been thinker of, oh, I should say what I did to
David J. Peterson: Whoa, okay. Also, I just feel like I have to clarify. I'm not, I have read William S. Burroughs I've read two of his novels and I hate them. So like
David J. Peterson: They're awful but but i really appreciate his style, but also gotta hate them. So like thinking I'm a fan. Alright.
Jessie Sams: So moving forward, psychologically, it does follow a lot of patterns because you know it's trying to make it
Jessie Sams: Natural like
Jessie Sams: But there are definitely some less natural features.
Jessie Sams: Including a very high frequency of voiceless for captives because my goal for the language was literally for it to sound like everything was a whisper, like a
Jessie Sams: Kind of slithering kind of whisper.
David J. Peterson: We talked about how I created a voiceless language to
Jessie Sams: Oh my gosh. No, we have not
David J. Peterson: I did it for the White Walkers because I reason that they wouldn't actually be able to vibrate their vocal folds.
Jessie Sams: Excellent. So when I give you a sentence in this, you're gonna be fine.
Jessie Sams: Um, by the way, for everyone listening. Yes, I'm going to make David read for me in my own languages.
Jessie Sams: And so
David J. Peterson: Now I get the name itself. It's perfect. Wow.
David J. Peterson: Okay, sorry. Go ahead.
Jessie Sams: There's also like almost all of the language is highly regular which means that's really unnatural.
Jessie Sams: But a part of that had to do with the mythology and the lore behind the speakers and that's this community that not only resist change but like
Jessie Sams: It's very much without going full bore into how the society work works. It's very much sort of this reincarnation model where the fourth generation when they die. They're reborn as the next generation. So there's always for generations of families.
Jessie Sams: Whoa, it's so like
David J. Peterson: Like this.
Jessie Sams: There were reasons that it didn't change.
Jessie Sams: It also makes you question because you know that authors always you know like
Jessie Sams: Write about something important to them. And apparently I was anti change for a while. I don't know.
Jessie Sams: And so some type of logical things its head initial word order. So I had a via so language propositional
Jessie Sams: My thing.
Jessie Sams: Too.
Jessie Sams: I really like you're going to see. I really like the verb to either be the first or the last I
Jessie Sams: Really just like that. Um, alright, so then we're going to jump in because I created this language. I started working on it in 2008 2009 to 10 it became like a lot more
Jessie Sams: Language like and the grammar just kept getting bigger. And then we're going to fast forward to the year 2013 when I decided to join the LCC five coddling relay
Jessie Sams: And I was placed in the second position or right after someone called David J. Peterson and
Jessie Sams: It was of course it disrupt effects. And so I was freaking out any weeks never met you before. I just knew you were the dose rocky guy and like that was before you were david david Peterson, all in one breath.
Jessie Sams: And so I was like oh my gosh they put me after him. I can't go after. Anyway, so I get the text and here is roughly what I translated that you sent me
David J. Peterson: Or
Jessie Sams: I'm going to read this because I need everybody to hear the full scope.
Jessie Sams: Was translating
Jessie Sams: So this is not about my language. This is about what kind of texts David will create if he is in charge of creating a text for a calling relay
Mm hmm.
Jessie Sams: Come to me, my child, you will leave your family and ride beyond the mountain today but I give this advice to you before you will go don't trust a person who speaks with Turtles, Turtles can't be burned and they will scare your horse.
Jessie Sams: You here, carrots, but only when the moon is full.
Jessie Sams: The moon will strengthen that fruit and you will be strengthened to
Jessie Sams: Finally, don't touch not once a tree that bears poems those trees are your enemy. They will dishonor you your horse in your ancestors all these trees are totally evil. I will hunt you and kill you if you even look at a tree that bears plans.
Jessie Sams: I sneak this promise to you, my child, I will destroy you.
Jessie Sams: Don't ever touch a plum tree but plums taste sweet, you should eat plums tried plumps to they taste good. Now ride my child right and scream like a goat.
Jessie Sams: I got to the end of that.
Jessie Sams: And the very first thing I did was I emailed David because I was like, did I just miss translate half the text because I have no idea what I'm doing. And this is so bizarre. And do you remember getting an email from me about that.
Jessie Sams: I do so many years ago.
David J. Peterson: I do. I don't remember how I responded
Jessie Sams: Something along the lines of, I don't have the original so I can't quote, but the message was the whole point of a coddling really is for you to use what you think is there, don't ask these questions.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, I mean, I couldn't, despite the fact that I looked upon you as a as a deadly adversary. I couldn't have been that rude. And so if if you would like. If you would like a little trip down memory lane.
David J. Peterson: I will actually find the email.
Jessie Sams: Oh my god, because you know I don't save emails that old. So this was my memory. I'm very curious to know what you actually said
Jessie Sams: Well, David look that up, though. I'm going to fast forward.
Jessie Sams: To it, because I translated it, I got it out in my 48 hour leg and sent it on, then I get to the LCC five, which, by the way, if you don't know that stands for language creation conference, I get there.
Jessie Sams: And I had no idea what was coming at the end of the day until there was an announcement that the relay participants would get up and read their text from one of everybody.
Jessie Sams: I will really my first reaction was, Okay, I'm gonna run away and pretend I never heard that announcement and just never come back. And then I don't have to worry about it.
Jessie Sams: Because seriously, put me up in front of thousands of people to do an academic presentation or speech and I'm fine, but asked me to read in a language that's not English
Jessie Sams: Nope. So I think I
Jessie Sams: Think I made it through.
Jessie Sams: The first like two lines and then I just went like, you get the idea. And I
David J. Peterson: Did I forgot about that. You know, I have to say, I'm really
Jessie Sams: Sorry. Okay.
David J. Peterson: That that's on me. That's on me and I'll tell you why.
David J. Peterson: Because like at that point in time. Like, I started the LCC relay at LCC to and then, you know, we kept it up. And so this was LCC five and of course all con lingers in the community, no it relays are, but I didn't ever realize that
David J. Peterson: I was gonna say
David J. Peterson: Sorry, I didn't realize that, of course, somebody who didn't know what it was wouldn't realize how we did it.
David J. Peterson: Huh, yeah.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, so
David J. Peterson: That was a shock. Yeah, that's something that's on me there. I should have. I should have
Jessie Sams: Said that, okay, it's fine. The email.
Oh, yeah.
David J. Peterson: There we go, sent you the torch.
David J. Peterson: Then I sent you an immediate follow up because I left out the word father in the lexicon. That would have been amusing. If that it's good.
David J. Peterson: You say thanks, David, I got the text and I'm excited to get my hands dirty in it.
David J. Peterson: Like that.
David J. Peterson: Then you said
Jessie Sams: Okay, I never want to hear another email I wrote years ago, cuz
David J. Peterson: Hang on, because you're going to hear more.
David J. Peterson: Hi, David. Does the Wii prefix on a verb. Make it future tense of the verb begins with a vow. First of all, yes.
David J. Peterson: Also, I just want to make sure I've translated this correctly, the father tells his child to never touch a plum tree, but the child can and should eat the plums. Does that sound like what you had attended
David J. Peterson: And then I said, very simply, yes. In the future tense semi-colon on the ladder. You have to decide for yourself. Smiley. See, I don't think that was that was so bad right
David J. Peterson: One more.
David J. Peterson: Okay, go ahead.
Jessie Sams: No, no. Go. Go on.
David J. Peterson: Go ahead and
Jessie Sams: Play that my perception is all wrong. And we can have a whole discussion about how memory gets good some colored by the fact that I was so nervous to send the email in the first place that
David J. Peterson: Yeah, by the way, can we stop and appreciate the fact that I sent you that reply email at 944 in the morning. The hell's I do went up.
Like
Jessie Sams: Wow.
David J. Peterson: That's impressive. You you emailed back one minute later, one more question in the title. It has a soul and which I parsed as have a father and own
David J. Peterson: Possession. However, I've got an extra
David J. Peterson: S.
David J. Peterson: Is that a plural marker or is it simply a combining consonant take
David J. Peterson: Home can
David J. Peterson: You use you use that with animate nouns that and and about just an apathetic connector.
David J. Peterson: Thanks for answering my question. And may I say this text is quite created Smiley, I have my fun with relay text smiling so
David J. Peterson: I don't know. That doesn't seem unpleasant.
Jessie Sams: OK, so now that we've read an entire weird. This is going to be like a two hour episode, we're not
Jessie Sams: Look good, but we've read a text message exchange.
Jessie Sams: Yes message, email exchange.
David J. Peterson: Yeah yeah
Jessie Sams: Okay, I'm going to see if this works. Oh my gosh, it does. Okay.
Jessie Sams: I am sending you in chat.
Jessie Sams: A sentence.
David J. Peterson: So you got it.
Jessie Sams: Okay, and it's not
Jessie Sams: It's not beautiful, what's up.
David J. Peterson: I see no stress is that are the accent stress.
Jessie Sams: I added the acute excellence for stress so that way you would know where to stress it thank
Jessie Sams: You, you're welcome. Everything else is just straight up IPA. So like that's the only just because I don't like doing the IPA little uptick things so I just
Jessie Sams: Sure, I just do that. Okay. So David is going to read to you a blessing. This is a blessing in the language.
David J. Peterson: Okay, and otherwise there's no punctuation right just as is
Yeah.
David J. Peterson: Okay. And these are replaced balls are voiceless.
Jessie Sams: So if I were really good at speaking the language, everything would have been voiceless, including the bows.
David J. Peterson: Hmm, okay.
Jessie Sams: Because it is supposed to be like totally whispered.
Okay.
Jessie Sams: Yes. Now I hope that came through on the recording.
Jessie Sams: Then you just heard wizard that was, that was great pronunciation, by the way.
David J. Peterson: There were a couple of stresses that were a little off.
Jessie Sams: It's okay, it's okay. Um, some of those are compounds. And so the stresses off anyway so it's good.
David J. Peterson: Especially now because I really love this word. So I want to do it again.
David J. Peterson: That's how it should be.
David J. Peterson: Just like that's very, very, very pleasing.
David J. Peterson: rhythmic pattern. I love it.
Jessie Sams: Nice. Okay. So, this what you just told everybody the blessing literally translates to May your tree grow and have four branches.
Jessie Sams: because four is a lucky number because always for generations for right so that's the cycle of life. That's everything and
Jessie Sams: Very big into nature. And so, you know, yeah that's that's the blessing. Now if you changed it by saying, May your tree have three branches, you would be cursing them hoping that they'll always feel like something is missing from life.
Jessie Sams: Or you could curse them by saying, May your tree have five branches.
Jessie Sams: In which case what they're saying is they hope you live in paranoia that something needs to be destroyed. But you don't know what it is.
David J. Peterson: Wow. That is awesome.
Jessie Sams: Intense
Jessie Sams: There's also say
Jessie Sams: There's a curse being created that translates as May your daughter intentionally lie.
Jessie Sams: Because they're very big on honesty and especially from family members and so yeah it's may your daughter intentionally lie.
Jessie Sams: Okay, so that is language, number one.
David J. Peterson: I love it. My
Jessie Sams: Dad in 2013 teen. Yes. That was the year I created a language actually for a friend.
Jessie Sams: Who had written this short story and she wanted a con laying and she didn't know she would ever publish it, but she wanted one and I'm like hey I create one every time I teach my invented class. So like, let's do this. And so it's called COO, Rob.
Jessie Sams: It's, it's okay. I'm
Jessie Sams: My pronunciation of my own names. This is why I'm making David read for me.
Jessie Sams: But it is the speaker as a translator who wants a language that can express himself better than any existing ones because like all he sees are all the flaws and like the actual languages that he speaks, which are very many
Jessie Sams: And so he creates this language. And in this language.
Jessie Sams: Some of the things the linguistic goals that I had to play around with were that I wanted to keep all the sounds maximally distinct. And so, especially
Jessie Sams: Among the consonant chart like I really kind of avoided some of the, the middle consonants. They were either really from a really bad.
Jessie Sams: Um, and it's actually my only SV O con line that I've made on my own. I've made another one with David, but this is the only one I've made on my own. That's SEO and its head initial for the most part.
Jessie Sams: I also
Jessie Sams: Excuse me. I also wanted to play around with having a lot of zero derivation. So that way, there's a lot of overlap between different parts of speech.
Jessie Sams: And
David J. Peterson: Hard thing.
Jessie Sams: So that was some of what I was going for. And so this is a very short sentence.
Jessie Sams: Again, fully an IPA and David's going to read that.
David J. Peterson: So I began. Wait, I'm sorry. That's straight IPA straight IPA.
David J. Peterson: Great idea.
David J. Peterson: Without our I began
Jessie Sams: Yes and yes and you just ask, do you understand
David J. Peterson: Huh. How's that intonation. I just you know how to do something. So I put it kind of growing up that right
Jessie Sams: I, I like it. I honestly didn't get that far because it was meant to be written. And so I didn't think about the full Centennial
Jessie Sams: Pronunciation and every word has one syllable. So stress wasn't in that wasn't
David J. Peterson: Well, certainly not with the intonation. You know, the
Jessie Sams: Oh yeah, you know. Yeah, but I didn't get that far. So
Jessie Sams: I
David J. Peterson: Written you didn't. You didn't even drop a question mark on there.
Jessie Sams: No cuz it's IPA, but
Jessie Sams: This is the point where David's about the closest laptop and walk away. I'm
Jessie Sams: Done. Here's another sentence. If you want to just hear a little bit more. And this one has my name in it because I was just showing how you can like pop names into questions. So it's another question.
David J. Peterson: Huh.
David J. Peterson: It's gonna be a little tougher.
David J. Peterson: Who watches the way
Jessie Sams: Oh, yes.
David J. Peterson: I do
Jessie Sams: Oh, good, good. Sorry, I didn't hear.
David J. Peterson: What you said after that.
Jessie Sams: I said, nice. I thought you under it's good, it's good. So you just asked, Where can I find Jesse
David J. Peterson: I'm OK.
Jessie Sams: OK, so that's language. Number two, not really, fully developed. And by the way, because you looked at me funny when I said the name. That's the name of the language. So you can go ahead and read it.
David J. Peterson: And it's just on the last syllable.
Know smokers.
Jessie Sams: Yes. And so that's a compound, all, all of the words were one syllable, but
Jessie Sams: Calm down. Sometimes I wrote them as one word and because of the way I named files like I wanted as one word. So technically, it's two words but anyway.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, yeah. No. No. Good.
Jessie Sams: It's a whole thing.
Jessie Sams: Okay, so that takes us through 2015 know yeah 2013 so then I taught my invented class again in 2015 and I needed another language and trying to think 17
Jessie Sams: Know 2015 I know what happened.
Jessie Sams: Or was that 2013 I am so confused on my dates 2013 was not the year
Jessie Sams: Was it. No. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. I'm so sorry.
Jessie Sams: It was
2015
Jessie Sams: was the year that I actually was trying something totally different ended up being a language sketch instead of a full Connie. I didn't have time to fill it all out. So I just
Jessie Sams: Moved on in life so that that year is 2017
Jessie Sams: That's where we get to Noma. Okay.
Jessie Sams: And this is the only one that I actually have online because it's on feeling
Jessie Sams: My grammar for that. And so this one is a head final language which I wanted to play with, because I hadn't done in SOV language.
Jessie Sams: And the other thing I wanted to experiment with was an office theory language. So this was my first time trying to work from the language and move forward.
Jessie Sams: And I'm starting to question myself again because I think I actually published this in 2016 which means I would have created it in 2015 which means I have no idea which year I made this
David J. Peterson: I thought that you had said 2015
Jessie Sams: I did. But then I changed my mind. Didn't I
Jessie Sams: Know, whatever. Okay.
Jessie Sams: Yeah, the goal is, it was somewhere after
Jessie Sams: But before
Jessie Sams: No, it was 2015 because now I remember what I did in 2017. Okay. Um, so I'm going to read this short introduction
Jessie Sams: Because it's in the grammar, too. But like if you recall at one point I said it has influenced from Turkish and you looked at me and I was like, it has reasons and commenters thought that was hilarious, but I was like, they need to know reasons.
Jessie Sams: So, so you don't have to go, like, read the whole thing. But here's where my good Noma language came from.
Jessie Sams: So first of all, my speakers, by the way, we're obviously my garden gnomes okay
Jessie Sams: Because if you don't know I collect them David knows, but I don't know that everybody listening knows that I I kind of am obsessed with cute little garden gnomes okay
Jessie Sams: So in the early eighth century this history goes back
David J. Peterson: Yeah.
Jessie Sams: There's a word like tribe of Goths and they may have been the last Gothic tribe to speak the language. We don't know.
Jessie Sams: It's a great thing about history, who knows, and they began setting out on raids from their home territory, so they were originally in the community Crimean Peninsula and they started going on grades.
Jessie Sams: The raids often involve kidnapping and Arsene arson, they left neighboring villages and any travelers and very dangerous situations, not good people and one of these bands of travelers that they came across was a group of money.
Jessie Sams: And so when the gas attack the group they kidnap one of the women killing her husband and sounds in the process. But what they didn't realize what was that they had just kidnapped a skilled which
Jessie Sams: And she was not happy about that. And so instead of extracting revenge by killing the gods. She turned them all into small peaceful creatures who turned into statue in the presence of a human. And so that meant they would be unable to harm any other humans.
Jessie Sams: And so in casting such a powerful spell she transferred some of her magical powers to them. So they did have this special power to care for the earth, which is why they're associated with
Jessie Sams: Gardens and the which found her ravished band of fellow travelers lead them back to the Goth camp and they collected all the statues and then they ended up kind of taking them with them.
Jessie Sams: They moved into an area with Turkish settling settlers and the small statues were placed in gardens and lush vegetation grew all around them.
Jessie Sams: So many years later they had lost a lot of their original culture and language because they were surrounded by sounds of other languages, including many IN TURKISH
Jessie Sams: And though the gospel could still move in speak with each other in the absence of humans their movements were obviously constrained because there's just these little
Jessie Sams: garden gnome things
Jessie Sams: And so that's good. There's more to it, but I'm going to skip that part. And eventually, a leader emerged, they called for a revival of their own have a new culture.
Jessie Sams: And not the word like culture they had and also their language had had, you know, changed quite a bit as well so
Jessie Sams: They adopted a new identity. So they left behind their graphic identity to become the good known Moni, a word borrowed from Greek meaning the ones that know
Jessie Sams: And this reflects the fact that humans view them as only statues, but they had intelligence and wisdom stored from their years of experiences human watchers and so they use this new cultural identity to name their language and they called it granola.
Jessie Sams: And so that is who the speakers are
David J. Peterson: Do they have sentience or conscience, while they're in their statue for him.
Jessie Sams: Yes, so they can watch that's why they're like such good human watchers. So they see everything going on around them.
Jessie Sams: They feel it. They know it but they they can't say anything or do anything until there's no few months.
David J. Peterson: Wow, that's really good as a punishment. Okay.
Jessie Sams: So they also, by the way, can't die unless they get broken and then that's how they die. And so some of them are still like thousands of years old and yeah and that's why, like the worst thing that any of them could say like their, their version of the F bomb is break you. And that's like
Jessie Sams: Just cross the line there. Okay, so I'm giving you a sentence. This one came with a period on it.
Jessie Sams: Also an IPA with accent marks to tell you where to stress, if there's no accent mark. It's on the first syllable.
David J. Peterson: Yes. And this is straight IPA. Yeah.
Jessie Sams: Great IPA.
David J. Peterson: Yes, regular trill our
David J. Peterson: Man Here you drill and arm.
David J. Peterson: Is very nice. Thank you. Okay. Okay.
David J. Peterson: Yeah do grab Beyonce.
David J. Peterson: Generated the astronaut the end yeah do Caribbean's twice. Go money.
David J. Peterson: Now wrong stress. Yeah, dude. Robbie. And I go, man named good mood zombie
David J. Peterson: Maximum right there. The beyond was yeah yeah wife's car yard was
Jessie Sams: Nice. Yeah. Those I really wanted those Jimena in showing up in odd places but I struggle with saying it so it never comes out right when I say it.
David J. Peterson: It has
David J. Peterson: See, I just want a little bit more practice with this. So usually, that's what I do. I guess that
David J. Peterson: I feel like it's got a very nice, real into it. I began to. I go, man. Give him a, b, and was your wife. Yeah.
Jessie Sams: There we go. That was
David J. Peterson: Nice.
Jessie Sams: You only needed like twice.
You just said.
Jessie Sams: Just said a wizard gave two men seeds that would grow into magical trees.
David J. Peterson: I started with.
Jessie Sams: The start of a fable.
Nice.
Jessie Sams: So one of the things I like to do is have fun with like curses and blessings and things like that. And so
Jessie Sams: It's really taboo for them to talk about fights or wars among themselves because of their history because like that's what turned them into stone. Right, so like it's really taboo to talk about it. So they do though have native words. So like
Jessie Sams: Do you gun means fight, but it's never used because that's their like their native word, and it's really taboo to say it. And so if they want to talk about humans fighting. They actually borrowed the word caulk gun in if they want to refer to their own fighting. They use a euphemism.
Jessie Sams: Ooh, Qian which means to make a lot of noise.
David J. Peterson: Hmm, that's good.
Jessie Sams: And then a curse.
Jessie Sams: Is give Young's are young, which means grow bad plants.
Jessie Sams: Okay, so that is good Noma.
Jessie Sams: Thank you, little nose.
Jessie Sams: Okay, so then
Jessie Sams: I'm back on track with my years. I know what year it is.
Jessie Sams: In 2017 I created Guinness. Oh, and this language.
Jessie Sams: Really my goal was to do more work with head final languages.
Jessie Sams: And experiment with say head final, I swear. This was head initial though.
Jessie Sams: I mean, you know, it said
Jessie Sams: It said final
Jessie Sams: For some reason, I just thought the structure was different. And I also wanted to experiment with highly a gluten eating languages.
Jessie Sams: That had noun categories, but not known categories and the way that you have a base and you have fun with it because I didn't do that. It was more that I
Jessie Sams: was inspired by languages like Swahili and higher and higher, like where if you want to say like one. You have to know what noun class you're dealing with, like, you can't even say like, what the number one is unless you know what you're counting like that kind of
Jessie Sams: Yeah, so I wanted to do that. And so then this language is just back to being a priori, like all the rest of my languages are just
Jessie Sams: For me, and so these speakers lives of the Guinea. So the language name and the people name is the same. They live on an island on an alternate version of Earth.
Jessie Sams: And they when they arrived on the island. Originally they settled in a tropical forest area.
Jessie Sams: Because that's where just where, you know, the sea brought them in
Jessie Sams: And so lots of like big trees and everything. And they actually took their boats and tied them up into the trees to create shelters high off the ground.
Jessie Sams: Which is good because the the forest floor actually has many poisonous plants and insects and once they figure that out there like, oh, we should keep living entries. So this is actually like a tree civilization. They live up in
Jessie Sams: And like, with all the big bridges connecting them and everything was great to
Jessie Sams: Imagine that look like
Jessie Sams: So when they first arrived there their group is really unified and they have a small oligarchy to make major decisions.
Jessie Sams: And eventually, like their, their community needed to be divided like up into groups of people who are responsible for different aspects of life.
Jessie Sams: And so like they have builders expedition teams caretakers crafters, and so on. So, like they're they very much know like everybody has this purpose.
Jessie Sams: Otherwise, they can't stay. They celebrate their mother goddess in an assortment of minor gods and goddesses, all of whom also worship the mother goddess and their major festival is an annual festival of lights that celebrates how the mother goddess led them via the stars to the island.
Jessie Sams: And so this is this group and here
Jessie Sams: Is a sentence.
Jessie Sams: For David to read
Jessie Sams: And this was my first language with an objective.
David J. Peterson: C didn't have experience with it before manager.
David J. Peterson: Okay, I think I got it.
David J. Peterson: You book added a new failure on what the ad that you're mad.
Jessie Sams: Yes. Oh, that's nice. Well, my languages sounds so much better when someone else's reading them.
David J. Peterson: And this this type of thing is easier for this. I don't know. I don't even know how to define it, but I just like looking at all the languages is like, yeah, I can do that one.
Jessie Sams: Excellent. This one is third person animate subjects or whether it she or he found berries near that tall tree so
Jessie Sams: You know, talking about that. I'm in it. We do have a post position. So this is a post positional language being all head final and whatnot.
Jessie Sams: And I also did another thing I experimented with was by personal marketing and so the verb is the final word. And so the thought is the third singular subject, and then you'll is the third person plural object.
David J. Peterson: So you basically like predicted many
David J. Peterson: Like
Jessie Sams: I was preparing I was preparing myself before I knew that it would be a thing.
David J. Peterson: Yeah. And like many she was even originally, you know, had final with
David J. Peterson: Great, you know, word final verbs. That's so wild.
Jessie Sams: It really is.
Jessie Sams: It's funny how those workout.
Jessie Sams: So that then brings me to
Jessie Sams: The last time I taught the class, I don't know, like, Do I dare try to create a another language for the class.
Jessie Sams: When I'm already
Jessie Sams: Working with you on so many languages. I'm probably shouldn't do it. But like, let me tell you it's darn tempting because I love creating languages with my students
Jessie Sams: So,
Jessie Sams: Con line number five is what, you know, though.
Jessie Sams: And this one is VSO
Jessie Sams: This one also is the first language that I actually created intending it to be a producer language for a family of con links.
Jessie Sams: So like
Jessie Sams: Because again, with the proto forms. I'm like, I want to know what the whole portal form would have been
Jessie Sams: But, but I also because I couldn't have it be like an actual full on proto language just because I needed to go ahead and create grammatical features that wouldn't have been there and appropriately. So anyway, it's kind of a mess, but
Jessie Sams: That was my goal was, I had specific goals for how it would evolve.
Jessie Sams: Also my big linguistic experiment for this one is that this language has no adjectives or adverbs.
Jessie Sams: And so I wanted to play around with that.
Jessie Sams: And
Jessie Sams: This is also meant to be part of a story. I like to create stories.
Jessie Sams: And so like every introductions every language. I have is, like, this big. Introduction to who the speakers are. And so, yes, this one.
Jessie Sams: My introduction. So I was reading one day why I don't know, but I was reading this book called What if the earth had two moons.
Jessie Sams: And it's a thought experiment.
Jessie Sams: By Neil F Coleman's it's a thought experiment about what the consequences of Earth capturing a second large mass moon would be. And so he talks about a lot of possibilities, including like drastic high tides fewer possibilities of coastal living without engineering planning.
Jessie Sams: Brighter nights, potentially, resulting in different camouflage systems for prey and more intelligent nocturnal predators that rely on other senses like smell sound and heat detection.
Jessie Sams: More meteoric showers and potentially more meteor impacts more solar eclipses.
Jessie Sams: And a more complex calendar with full and partial months, I will not talk about how long I spent on trying to figure out what to moon calendar.
Jessie Sams: Would look like there was a lot of research going on. He further states that the new moon might have volcanic activity, just because of the pool from both moons as well visible from Earth. And that would be like a potential source of inspiration from mythical lore. And so I was like
Jessie Sams: That's my world right there. It's earth but future earth after capturing a second moon.
Jessie Sams: And now this new earth, mind you, has stabilized since the appearance of the second moon human societies have redeveloped for a while it was mass chaos.
Jessie Sams: And they appeared around the globe, but now they face a lot more competition for land and living space from more advanced predators and things like that. So, like, it's
Jessie Sams: The New Earth is less viable land for living because the coastal regions all get flooded all the time because of the stronger tide. So it's like a lot of the coastal areas, just
Jessie Sams: Are underwater. Now I'm also the new moon also caused a period of intense tsunamis and earthquakes. So it actually changed a lot of the landscape and livable area anyway.
Jessie Sams: And so these new civilizations are much smaller than anything we would think of as like a big place. And in fact, the majority of human civilizations on this new earth really like a big civilization would be like in the the low thousands like 3000 would be a big civilization.
Jessie Sams: But most of them are smaller groups of like 300 400, something like that.
Jessie Sams: Um, so, humans are struggling because the hardiest who are surviving must also combat both nature and human inclination to dominate the land and other available resources.
Jessie Sams: And so when they do come in contact with each other battles frequently breakout resulting in more depth. Just one thing
Jessie Sams: And the people that I created specifically here the piano. So the language is working on it though. The people are working piano
Jessie Sams: They have settled in old Earth's Western Europe in like a hilltop city.
Jessie Sams: And they have technologies, kind of like what we would associate with more classical Civilization, like, you know, more stone based they have ships made for fishing or food gathering, but like you got to be really brave to go out on the sea, because remember water with two moons.
Jessie Sams: It said it's a trip.
Jessie Sams: And in low tides. They, they live nearly a mile from the nearest coast, but in the highest tides. The water actually comes and fills up aqua ducks within their city so like there's a big area there.
Jessie Sams: Mainly agrarian living off the land stockpile food, etc, etc. But everybody all hands on deck for survival and so their word for good is you them, which literally translates as useful and the word for bad is near home which like literally translates as useless.
David J. Peterson: This is basically exactly the same thing as death, Rocky. Did you know that
Jessie Sams: No I did not. Yeah.
Jessie Sams: I told you I haven't watched Game of Thrones. Right.
David J. Peterson: Well, they don't really go over that.
Jessie Sams: Okay, okay.
Jessie Sams: But I still have not watched Game of
Jessie Sams: I'm sorry.
David J. Peterson: I'm trying to imagine like you know Season two Episode seven like know the death rocky word for good is actually a cognitive or say big as the words for useful. You see, so
Jessie Sams: It's great.
David J. Peterson: do that a lot. Sorry, you go
Jessie Sams: So yeah, in case anybody's wondering why I tried watching Game of Thrones, but I personally cannot watch a lot of killing on screen.
Jessie Sams: And so I had to stop because my hands were covering my eyes so much and they were speaking in other languages. And it turns out, you'd have to look at subtitles to know what's being said
David J. Peterson: We're just learning the language. Come on.
Jessie Sams: You're right, you're right.
David J. Peterson: Calling me up. So
Jessie Sams: I'm giving you two sentences for that.
David J. Peterson: Okay.
Jessie Sams: Go back to back, though, so it's good.
David J. Peterson: Oh,
Jessie Sams: Oh, second
Jessie Sams: secondary stress is marked
David J. Peterson: Oh, interesting strategy for secondary stress.
David J. Peterson: Okay. And that's, again, very strict IPA. So that's the trail.
Jessie Sams: You feel are true, yes.
David J. Peterson: Mm hmm.
David J. Peterson: OK. OK.
Jessie Sams: And I even put periods at the end so you know where this first sentence. It's very the first sentence is obviously much shorter
Jessie Sams: And for everyone.
Jessie Sams: I just want you know David staring at it. He'll get there.
David J. Peterson: Here we go.
David J. Peterson: More walk la
David J. Peterson: La right
David J. Peterson: Now, now, it wasn't the best ball walk lead so walk in.
David J. Peterson: Faith.
Jessie Sams: Yeah, there was a better bell
David J. Peterson: Fight any way you can swap Z to move way union only now exceeded days, who adds a
Jessie Sams: Wonderful and you just said a tree grows in a field. She believes that she herself possesses strength because of this her branches or near the sky goddess.
Nice.
Jessie Sams: Start of a fable. I like to read the most
David J. Peterson: Consistent five and I am here for
Jessie Sams: You. I have my certain taste. So one of the things that, like,
Jessie Sams: That makes me laugh most about this language in terms of what I like built into it because
Jessie Sams: The society right like they're really concerned just about their own survival. And so, in thinking about, like, if you're super concerned about making sure that your community can survive.
Jessie Sams: They definitely treat finding and keeping mates very differently. And so, like, it's really bizarre for one for to have monogamous relationships because the whole goal is like you'll populate with like the best people. We can so that way. Very, very much like survival of the fittest.
Very
Jessie Sams: But like that also means that there's
Jessie Sams: There's a lot of siblings or half siblings floating around. Right. And so I created a way that's like based on their word for sibling that essentially the way you hit on someone is to ask are you my sibling.
Jessie Sams: And like, if they're if they're not interested. The answer is to essentially say a phrase that would translate as probably so like
Jessie Sams: Go on. Or if you're interested, the follow up question is, who are your parents. And so then you would compare parent names.
Jessie Sams: But that just kind of cracked me up the way I kind of hold dialogue ready
Jessie Sams: So that is worked, you know,
David J. Peterson: Yeah.
Jessie Sams: And that is language. Number five. By the way, the entire fable.
Jessie Sams: This tree.
Jessie Sams: And
Jessie Sams: Because we have some minutes left.
Jessie Sams: I actually like this fable, what
Jessie Sams: I like it when I delight myself.
David J. Peterson: With my own
Jessie Sams: Okay, so she's angry because she thinks she's amazing. She's very strong because her branches so tall, she's so close to the sky goddesses in the plural. There are three
Jessie Sams: But she is forced to sway every time the wind blows in that just really makes her angry. And so the taller. The tree grows, the more it moves in the wind.
Jessie Sams: And because of the movement, the tree feels she is weak. So the tree tries to tell the wind. You know, like, Hey, I'm stronger than you. You can't be seen. Why are you annoying me go away.
Jessie Sams: And the wind is all like, I can't stop blowing, you should ask the Goddesses, to give you more strength. And so then the tree goes to each goddess and turn, because again, there's three
Jessie Sams: Need Sue says no, that's one goddess. So then the tree asked tofu, but the keto was like not even listening, so that one's out. So then the tree asked cleave when does the lady of the sky and
Jessie Sams: Play. When does like, Are you sure this is what you want.
Jessie Sams: And the tree is like, yes, it is my only desire. So Cliff window warrants Warren's okay I'm gonna give you what you want.
Jessie Sams: And so the branches become stronger and harder the tree enjoys her strength. The wind blows in the field. The tree laughs because she thinks she's too strong to be hurt by the wind.
Jessie Sams: And then the wind blows stronger and the trees branches snap off and fly away and the tree Christ. How am I breaking in live when the answers when you cannot move, you must break
David J. Peterson: Okay.
David J. Peterson: That is really good.
David J. Peterson: And you have a lot of work and all of us.
Yes.
Jessie Sams: Yes.
David J. Peterson: That's wonderful.
Jessie Sams: So those are five of my languages.
David J. Peterson: And I love them all. That's amazing. Wow.
David J. Peterson: Thank you for that, because especially I didn't know much about the later ones.
Jessie Sams: Now because they all just live
Jessie Sams: In documents.
David J. Peterson: That are waiting to be put into PDFs and sent to me to put up on the other. Well,
Jessie Sams: Actually, I should give you the, the good news. The one is really, really.
David J. Peterson: You should
Jessie Sams: Brief, but the walked in auto is I should send that one.
David J. Peterson: If it's at least a single page. That'll do it.
Jessie Sams: Oh, it may be like 60
David J. Peterson: Hmm.
David J. Peterson: See
Jessie Sams: It's got a few pages.
Jessie Sams: Um, okay, so look on feeling where eventually
Went
David J. Peterson: There we go. Now I can fill in some of those months.
Jessie Sams: But, uh, but yeah, so that's wanted to
Jessie Sams: Introduce you to those languages. And then we have an
Jessie Sams: Episode eight in a wrap.
David J. Peterson: That's right. I mean, I call it to afford whatever
Jessie Sams: You know, whatever episode. It is
Jessie Sams: Did you have any
David J. Peterson: No, that was wonderful. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. That was so cool.
David J. Peterson: Wow, man. Yeah, you put on a lot more work into these languages that I put into my earlier ones.
David J. Peterson: I mean,
Jessie Sams: I don't know about that.
David J. Peterson: Only thing that probably comes closest common Cali and that's just one
David J. Peterson: Or my first language was was just terrible and embarrassing. Everybody knows about that.
Jessie Sams: Because you talk about it all the time.
David J. Peterson: I know what do I do that just embarrassing. I don't know. I think it's because I want to be sure people know that I'm not, like, you know, some sort of a
David J. Peterson: Statue or something, I don't know, like, you know what I mean.
Jessie Sams: You're, you're no money.
David J. Peterson: No, I'm like people. People need to know what kind of trash, I am you know
Jessie Sams: No, I don't.
David J. Peterson: Know, I mean, it's like you know that's that's how you. That's how you build first, first you lay down the trash. It's a good foundation and then you build on the truck.
Jessie Sams: You learn from the first one.
Okay.
Jessie Sams: Move on.
David J. Peterson: You put a frame around it and keep showing it to everybody. See, see.
Jessie Sams: It is good, though, because I think
Jessie Sams: In every community. I think that this is a problem, but I see it a lot in common linking communities is that this feeling of whether it's imposter syndrome or just all out like
Jessie Sams: comparing yourself to somebody who's been doing it a lot longer. I definitely see a lot of comments that show that it's like, oh, I mean, it's not that good. But
Jessie Sams: And that's one thing that I i hate hearing that from other people. So like if I ever hear my students say that I actually stopped them. And I'm like, No, there is no like that. Don't say it's not that good. You're working with what you got, let's let's work with, let's work with this.
Jessie Sams: And so that, to me, I think is important that people get out there like, hey, like my first attempt wasn't the best or like I look back and I wish I had done this differently.
Jessie Sams: I think that's really good for people to just be open about and be honest because
Jessie Sams: It does bother me whenever especially beginning con lingers get really down on themselves.
Jessie Sams: I don't know. It just makes me want to send a con Lincoln KG to them and say, not just keep working.
Jessie Sams: You'll get what you want. And like your first one is never the best anyway so
David J. Peterson: Yeah, and like Malmo when I started out. If I had known know it's been going to catch up so that you know
David J. Peterson: I I needed that period of, you know, creating this terrible language. And again, that not only was it the best language in the world, but that I was the best person in the world, because that's what I truly believe
David J. Peterson: Anything I did was just perfect.
Jessie Sams: Obviously,
David J. Peterson: Yeah, like that's that's what I've been saying basically obviously
David J. Peterson: You are. Yeah.
Jessie Sams: David J. Peterson.
David J. Peterson: And I, and I had been since I created my signature in seventh grade.
Jessie Sams: Which I have to say is really a nice signature.
It's very artistic
David J. Peterson: Thank you. I put a lot of work into it.
Jessie Sams: Well, since seventh grade. That is impressive.
Jessie Sams: So are there any final words that you want to say to our dear listeners.
David J. Peterson: I don't know. I can never think of anything.
David J. Peterson: But, and it's like the only word I always remember from your languages is
Jessie Sams: Interesting.
David J. Peterson: I don't know, it always it always stuck out to me.
Jessie Sams: Nice.
Jessie Sams: Okay, well, then in that case, I'll end it on saying thank you for listening and stay grammar.
David J. Peterson: And happy going
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